Sport Pilot - School Won't Offer

"BTIZ" wrote

Limited cross country.. based on where you are signed off to fly.. and
limited distance from "home" airport.. not a fuel thing..

BT

More uninformed BS
--
Jim in NC

Limited cross country.. based on where you are signed off to fly.. and
limited distance from "home" airport.. not a fuel thing..

Not so. I could tomorrow downgrade my recreational certificate to a
sport pilot license and fly from New Hampshire to California.

There is nothing in the sport pilot cert that limits location or
distance. Likely you are thinking about the bare-bones recreational
certificate, which can be lifted with a two-hour XC flight and an
hour's ground school on controlled airspace (and the knowledge, of
course).

Sport pilot rules are actually more liberal than recreational rules,
and the latter have been upgraded to suit the former. That's why I can
now land at a towered airport with a specific signoff for it.


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On 12 Feb 2005 18:14:34 -0800, wrote:

Dear Robert - this is my first time in this newsgroup and your comment
regarding the lack of available training on the Sport Pilot rating
caught my attention. Being a pilot who hasn't flown in 6 years and who
is not up to speed regaring this issue, do you see a need for someone
to develop a training program for the Sport Pilot.

I'm not Robert, but I do have an opinion

Sure, it would be nice if there was a Sport Pilot Academy, and I'll
bet that some taildragger entrepreneur is working on it right now. But
what is really needed is for CFIs on the remaining taildragger fields
to get interested, do the spadework, and offer the training. My home
field does all its primary training in J-3 Cubs and is planning to
become a Taylorcraft dealership, so is ideally situated to do just
that.

Stilll, I suspect that most Sport Pilots this year and next will be
moving sideways or down. That is, they're experienced private or
recreational pilots who want to fly on a driver's license medical, or
they're experienced ultralight pilots who want to fly a really truly
airplane.

Whether this thing flies or not depends in large part on the insurance
companies. I wouldn't fly with a million-dollar liability policy, and
if I can't buy one at a reasonable price I'll stay where I am:
recreational pilot with sport pilot privileges.



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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:39:29 -0500, Cub Driver
wrote:

Sport pilot rules are actually more liberal than recreational rules,
and the latter have been upgraded to suit the former. That's why I can
now land at a towered airport with a specific signoff for it.

that should be WITHOUT a signoff

Sorry! Never let your fingers do the talking.


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Ok.. I was thinking there was a distance limit... I just re-read 61.315..
just try getting to California and stay below 10,000MSL, you'll have to go
the long way around.. through NM and AZ... and stay out of Class B, C, and
D... and don't fly at night..

you do need a sign off for those classes.. 61.325

yes.. the Recreational pilot can go more than 50nm from home with a signoff
that he has received additional training..

BT

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
...

Limited cross country.. based on where you are signed off to fly.. and
limited distance from "home" airport.. not a fuel thing..

Not so. I could tomorrow downgrade my recreational certificate to a
sport pilot license and fly from New Hampshire to California.

There is nothing in the sport pilot cert that limits location or
distance. Likely you are thinking about the bare-bones recreational
certificate, which can be lifted with a two-hour XC flight and an
hour's ground school on controlled airspace (and the knowledge, of
course).

Sport pilot rules are actually more liberal than recreational rules,
and the latter have been upgraded to suit the former. That's why I can
now land at a towered airport with a specific signoff for it.


-- all the best, Dan Ford

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What LSA qualifed aircraft was that? J-3?
A J-3 does not need the transponder.. but he would need a hand held radio
for the tower..
or coordinate the use of light gun signals.. and for a training aircraft..
the tower would get a little tired of that

BT

"Geoffrey Barnes" wrote in message
nk.net...
There is another possibility. The flying club that I belong to is also a
flight school. They won't instruct for Sport Pilot for insurance reasons.
Their position is that people with that level of training are likely to
be
higher risks, causing more incidents (if not accidents), and thus be a
vulnerability to the club.

That's a good point. Another one concerns radio comms and transponders.
Since my club operates out of a 24-hour Class D airport (AGC) which sits
well within the 30-nm mode C veil for Pittsburgh's Class B, all aircraft
have to be properly equipped. And the sport pilot wannabes would have to
be
trained to do radio work. At one point, we had one guy who owned a
LSA-qualified taildragger look into setting up a leasback with us in the
hope of attracting sport pilot students. But he would have had to add an
encoding transponder and probably some basic radio equipement to make it
work at our airport, and he decided not to bother.

just try getting to California and stay below 10,000MSL, you'll have to go
the long way around.. through NM and AZ... and stay out of Class B, C, and
D... and don't fly at night..

No, I can fly in B-C-D airspace, thanks to Sport Pilot rules. The
other points are correct but of no importance to me. I don't
particularly like to drive at night, let alone fly, and the Cub is not
very able above 10,000 ft.


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Cub Driver wrote in
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just try getting to California and stay below 10,000MSL, you'll have
to go the long way around.. through NM and AZ... and stay out of Class
B, C, and D... and don't fly at night..

No, I can fly in B-C-D airspace, thanks to Sport Pilot rules. The
other points are correct but of no importance to me. I don't
particularly like to drive at night, let alone fly, and the Cub is not
very able above 10,000 ft.


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To be more precise, any sport pilot can fly in B,C,D, airspace with a sign-
off (and proper equipment, of course) IMHO it's better to get that signoff
AFTER getting your license, should make the checkride more focused on the
fundementals.

ET

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:04:27 GMT, ET wrote:

To be more precise, any sport pilot can fly in B,C,D, airspace with a sign-
off (and proper equipment, of course) IMHO it's better to get that signoff
AFTER getting your license, should make the checkride more focused on the
fundementals.

I agree, and that's one reason (there were others) why I went for a
recreational pilot certificate. I knew I could patch it up later--or,
in the case of controlled airspace, wrongly thought I could. I was
delighted when the Sport Pilot thing came along and bailed me out.

As posted earlier, I had my B,C,D airspace endorsement within a week
of the Sport Pilot rules going into effect last September. (Thanks in
large part to my own CFI/friend, the FAA revised rec pilot privileges
to match those extended to Sport Pilots.)

Of course, if a Sport Pilot (or recreational pilot) wannabe is doing
his training at a towered airfield, he will want the airspace
endorsement in the course of training.



-- all the best, Dan Ford

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