Fair Tribunals at Guantanamo? (Was: YANK CHILD ABUSERS :: another reason to kill americans abroad ???)

Kristan Roberge wrote:

:Ya know that post-ww2 at the war crimes trials for the Nazi elite, the prisoners there
:got more freedoms and rights afforded to them than the folks at Guantanamo have. Pretty
:bad when the allies treated nazi's better than the USA treats 'non-combatants'.

What 'non-combatants'? You know, your arguments would be a lot more
convincing if you could only get the basic facts right.

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"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

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I came across this statement in the house in my travels;

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Foreign and
Commonwealth Affairs (Mr. Chris Mullin):

On 3 July, the United States designated six detainees, including
two British nationals held at Guantanamo Bay, as eligible for trial
under a military commission. We have strong reservations about the
military commission. We have raised, and will continue to raise them
energetically with the US. The Foreign Secretary spoke to the US
Secretary of State, Colin Powell, about that over the weekend and
will speak to him again in the next few days.

So far, neither of the detainees has been charged. However, we have
made it clear to the US that we expect the process to fulfil
internationally accepted standards of a fair trial. We will follow
the process carefully.

The US is aware of our fundamental opposition to the use of the
death penalty in all circumstances. If there is any suggestion that
the death penalty might be sought in these cases, we would raise the
strongest possible objections.

As regards the conditions in which all those prisoners are held, the
Prime Minister has, on a number of occasions, made it clear that he
regards the situation in Guantanamo Bay as unsatisfactory.

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Why occupy someone elses
country against the wishes of its inhabitants ?

Like IRELAND?

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"Kristan Roberge" wrote in message
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Jim wrote:

little.
It stood-by the genicide in Camboida and Africa and what? nothing!
It places countries onto committiees like Cuba as head of the sub
committe
on human rights, need I say more.

considering cuba treats its citizens better as far as human rights go than
many
US-allies of convenience
in foreign lands, you should just shut yer cake hole now.

Yea a 9mm to the back of the head is good treatment...


Jim

"Jim Watt" wrote in message
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On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 02:45:49 GMT, Fred J. McCall
wrote:

Fine, Paul. The Irish are evil incarnate. Why, they are the very
Devil reborn. They should be wiped from the face of the Earth,

No you are mixing them up with America, aka the Great Satan.

The point being made was a simple one that the IRA is
an international terrorist organisation. Enough evidence
has been quoted, to convice all but the blind.

It was funded and supported by Americans, and since your
government has discovered that international terrorism is a
bad thing, that has been restricted and there is a chance that
peace may come to Ireland.

Are the english leaving?

"Jim Watt" wrote in message
news
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I came across this statement in the house in my travels;

The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Foreign and
Commonwealth Affairs (Mr. Chris Mullin):

On 3 July, the United States designated six detainees, including
two British nationals held at Guantanamo Bay, as eligible for trial
under a military commission. We have strong reservations about the
military commission. We have raised, and will continue to raise them
energetically with the US. The Foreign Secretary spoke to the US
Secretary of State, Colin Powell, about that over the weekend and
will speak to him again in the next few days.

So far, neither of the detainees has been charged. However, we have
made it clear to the US that we expect the process to fulfil
internationally accepted standards of a fair trial. We will follow
the process carefully.

Completly understandable, we would do the same if the situation was
reversed.

The US is aware of our fundamental opposition to the use of the
death penalty in all circumstances. If there is any suggestion that
the death penalty might be sought in these cases, we would raise the
strongest possible objections.

Noted, thank you. How ever in our laws there is a place for the death
penelty.
Providing they get a fair trail, the punishment is up to the judge
depending on the crime of course.
If they committed a capital crime, to bad, so sad.

As regards the conditions in which all those prisoners are held, the
Prime Minister has, on a number of occasions, made it clear that he
regards the situation in Guantanamo Bay as unsatisfactory.

What is unsatisfactory in your View might I ask..
I understand they get food, shelter, water, medical care, exercise, are
allowed to pratice there religion.
They are questioned wearing restraints sure, but they are not beat or
tourtured...

So what is the beef? It is a detention compounnd not the Ritz. What no
cable TV?

Jim

"Jim" wrote in message
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Why occupy someone elses
country against the wishes of its inhabitants ?

Like IRELAND?

And which bit of the island of Ireland is occupied against the wishes of a
majority of its inhabitants?

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William Black
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Pick any two from three

Jim Watt wrote in message . ..
On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 20:52:06 GMT, Fred J. McCall
wrote:

And obviously, the fact that we have a lease, we pay it every year,

If its a lease, when does it expire? Why occupy someone elses
country against the wishes of its inhabitants ?

The original lease was a hundred years.
Since then, it's been extended. Since Cuba is desparately
in need of US tourism money far more than it's
need of Gitmo or UN money.

We're not occuying Cuba, since if we were, we'd
be occupying Havana, not Gitmo.




Dunno whether is because I've been complaining about your
Government, but they are now making if difficult to impossible
to visit your fair land by withdrawing the visa waiver scheme
as from October

But, that parts of our master plan.
We don't really care if Al Qauda visits Guantonemo Bay, Cuba
or Mecca. But we've withdrawn all of their
Visas for New York, or anyplace in the US
that has non-government jobs.

On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:05:48 -0500, "Jim" wrote:

"Jim Watt" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 02:45:49 GMT, Fred J. McCall
wrote:

Fine, Paul. The Irish are evil incarnate. Why, they are the very
Devil reborn. They should be wiped from the face of the Earth,

No you are mixing them up with America, aka the Great Satan.

The point being made was a simple one that the IRA is
an international terrorist organisation. Enough evidence
has been quoted, to convice all but the blind.

It was funded and supported by Americans, and since your
government has discovered that international terrorism is a
bad thing, that has been restricted and there is a chance that
peace may come to Ireland.

Are the english leaving?

The English live in England. Sometimes they leave
on holiday, sometimes they leave the country.

In case you missed it, the money donated by Americans
was used to fund a socialist party, various gangsters, to kill Irish
people, irrespective of religion in the North and South and attempt to
murder and to murder other nationalities in other countries.


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Jim Watt http://www.gibnet.com

On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:23:47 -0500, "Jim" wrote:

What is unsatisfactory in your View might I ask..

The fact that your government is detaining British citizens
illegally. and that they are facing a kangaroo court.


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Jim Watt http://www.gibnet.com