NATCA Going Down in Flames

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"bdl" wrote in message
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Sounds like we need to fix the A/C.


It's not broken, it's just not up to the task. Should we spend your tax
dollars to upgrade it so that controllers can be comfortable and efficient
while wearing pants or should we just allow them to dress comfortably under
the present conditions?

All facilities aren't up to the task? Controllers in radar facilities
(those dark windowless rooms) should be able to wear shorts as well?

Do you wear jeans in the winter? Or is the dress code requirement of
dress pants ok then?

Is this a temperature issue, or an authority issue for you?

I don't care if they think they are on the same team as the FAA. I
care if they think they are on the same team as their co-controllers.

Do you think they don't think they are on the same team as their
co-controllers? Why do you think that?

The FAA (who's setting the standards) disagrees. As do I.

I often disagree with the FAA. This would be no exception (though I'm
open to other opinions, especially from actual controllers, about the
working conditions there and how dress affects it)

Jose
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So perhaps in a on-demand facility (where a terrorist incident might...

On the battlefield, this is a consideration. We are not on a
battlefield, despite what our president wants us to think.

Jose
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
You're describing controllers working a position. We're not talking about
them. We're talking about controllers napping while on a break so that they
may be alert when they return to work a position.

I want them alert BEFORE they return to work a position. I want them
at a minimum to be AWAKE when they are at the facility. On duty or on
break. If they've got nothing to do they can read the controller's
manual again. Or maybe the AIM. But in your world its too much to ask
that someone be required to be awake for a given predetermined 8 hour
shift.

It's as Jay suggested. If you think this type of attitude is going to
fly with the general public much less the pilot community when you
start complaining about privatization you're going to be surprised.

Most people would expect that someone at work could be expected to stay
awake.

Jose wrote:
So perhaps in a on-demand facility (where a terrorist incident might...

On the battlefield, this is a consideration. We are not on a
battlefield, despite what our president wants us to think.

They surely have a terrorist incident response plan. And part of a
plan to ground all aircraft (similar to 9/11) in the event of another
attack. One part of that plan might be that controllers on break are
required to be alert. Hence no naps.

bdl wrote:
Jose wrote:
So perhaps in a on-demand facility (where a terrorist incident might...
On the battlefield, this is a consideration. We are not on a
battlefield, despite what our president wants us to think.

They surely have a terrorist incident response plan. And part of a
plan to ground all aircraft (similar to 9/11) in the event of another
attack. One part of that plan might be that controllers on break are
required to be alert. Hence no naps.

How would controllers on break help ground aircraft? They're on break.

One part of that plan might be that controllers on break are
required to be alert. Hence no naps.

Good. Controllers will be tired instead.

Jose
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"bdl" wrote in message
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Do you wear shorts in the winter?


No.

"bdl" wrote in message
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I want them alert BEFORE they return to work a position.


Then you want them permitted to nap while on break.

"Roger (K8RI)" wrote in message
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They sure didn't include people like me in that study. I do not wake
quickly whether from a good night's sleep or a nap. In the morning I
roll out of bed into the "praying position" and then with the aid of
the bed and wall, work myself into a standing position. After a nap I
roll off the couch onto the floor, then climb into the praying
position with the aid of the couch.

Must be nice to be so alert... I just manage to crawl to the nearest coffee
pot...

I and others like me are a hazard to ourselves and those around us for
an hour or so after waking and we are a long way from being unique.

Adrenaline works great for getting you initially awake, but if I find out
that there is nothing so pressing that needs killing at that point, I want
to go back to sleep...