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Hi There was an incident involving an R.C.A.F. Station Namao-based S.A.C. KC-135 Stratotanker back in 1961. (S.A.C. maintained a standing tanker detachment at R.C.A.F. Station Namao, located just north of the city of Edmonton, Alberta. The aircraft had been involved in refueling a B-52 north of R.C.A.F. Station Namao, when one of the windows blew out at altitude and partially sucked one of the crew out of the aircraft. Apparently the resulting trauma to his body allowed all the blood to be sucked out. I talked to an old boomer who recalled the incident and said that when the plane landed at Namao, there was a stream of frozen blood running along the side of the fuselage. Cheers...Chris |
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ...
wrote in message om... We all have seen the movies were one pistol shot or what not causes the side of an airliner explode sucking the people, seats, etc. into the void. What would happen in the reality? Let's assume the plane is at the cruising altitude. Not much unless a window was taken out and even then while pillows , papers and magazines would be thrown about people wouldnt be. The extreme case is the Aloha airlines 737 which last about 20 ft of cabin and managed a safe landing, although some people were killed on that one. Keith I believe there have been accident reports of much smaller holes than that Aloha example where passengers were indeed sucked out. The following sites, taken together, indicate a September 2001 accident involving a Brazilian Fokker 100 involved one passenger being sucked out through a window after two windows were taken out due to an uncontained turbine failu www.iasa.com.au/folders/Safety_Issues/ others/cowdied.html www.pyramid.ch/airsafety_fatal.htm Obviously a rare case, but it can indeed happen. Likewise, relatively small fuselage holes caused by bombs have resulted in passenger loss--ISTR that was the case over Greece a few years back? Brooks |
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"Gord Beaman" wrote in message
... (Kevin Brooks) wrote: I've been following this thread for awhile and have heard of most of these incidents before. I notice that 'all' the posts refer to "People etc being sucked out". Isn't the proper term "Blown out" by the higher air pressure inside?, rather than being "Sucked out by the lower air pressure outside?. I realize that the same effect would be realized in either case but it seems to go against my grain to call it "Sucked out". Any thoughts?. -- -Gord. You're probably right Gord. Pressure goes from high to low - under the maxim "nature abhors a vacuum (but not as much as cats do)" The individual's perspective also has an effect. If you're strapped in your seat, watching your tray table disappear through a crack in a window, then it was blown out. If you and your tray table are falling in free air after passing through a crack the size of a keyhole, that sucks. Cheers Dave Kearton |
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On or about Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:45:11 GMT, "Gord Beaman"
) allegedly uttered: (Kevin Brooks) wrote: "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... wrote in message om... We all have seen the movies were one pistol shot or what not causes the side of an airliner explode sucking the people, seats, etc. into the void. What would happen in the reality? Let's assume the plane is at the cruising altitude. Not much unless a window was taken out and even then while pillows , papers and magazines would be thrown about people wouldnt be. The extreme case is the Aloha airlines 737 which last about 20 ft of cabin and managed a safe landing, although some people were killed on that one. Keith I believe there have been accident reports of much smaller holes than that Aloha example where passengers were indeed sucked out. I've been following this thread for awhile and have heard of most of these incidents before. I notice that 'all' the posts refer to "People etc being sucked out". Isn't the proper term "Blown out" by the higher air pressure inside?, rather than being "Sucked out by the lower air pressure outside?. I realize that the same effect would be realized in either case but it seems to go against my grain to call it "Sucked out". Any thoughts?. Well, from my point of view, I remember my Physics degree well - every time we used the word "suck", my tutor would fail us - surprisingly hard habit to get out of :-) --- Peter Kemp Life is short - Drink Faster |
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Peter Kemp peter_n_kempathotmaildotcom@ wrote:
On or about Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:45:11 GMT, "Gord Beaman" ) allegedly uttered: (Kevin Brooks) wrote: "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... wrote in message om... We all have seen the movies were one pistol shot or what not causes the side of an airliner explode sucking the people, seats, etc. into the void. What would happen in the reality? Let's assume the plane is at the cruising altitude. Not much unless a window was taken out and even then while pillows , papers and magazines would be thrown about people wouldnt be. The extreme case is the Aloha airlines 737 which last about 20 ft of cabin and managed a safe landing, although some people were killed on that one. Keith I believe there have been accident reports of much smaller holes than that Aloha example where passengers were indeed sucked out. I've been following this thread for awhile and have heard of most of these incidents before. I notice that 'all' the posts refer to "People etc being sucked out". Isn't the proper term "Blown out" by the higher air pressure inside?, rather than being "Sucked out by the lower air pressure outside?. I realize that the same effect would be realized in either case but it seems to go against my grain to call it "Sucked out". Any thoughts?. Well, from my point of view, I remember my Physics degree well - every time we used the word "suck", my tutor would fail us - surprisingly hard habit to get out of :-) --- Peter Kemp I agree with him, I think it's a poor way to describe that action...the outside air molecules are pressing against the aircraft windows with a certain force, if a window 'ruptures' then the higher inside air pressure will force itself (and any objects that it may contain) out into this comparatively lower pressure. 'Suck' doesn't sound right for this action. (Or perhaps 'any' action?) -- -Gord. |
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"Gord Beaman" wrote in message ... (Kevin Brooks) wrote: "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... wrote in message om... We all have seen the movies were one pistol shot or what not causes the side of an airliner explode sucking the people, seats, etc. into the void. What would happen in the reality? Let's assume the plane is at the cruising altitude. Not much unless a window was taken out and even then while pillows , papers and magazines would be thrown about people wouldnt be. The extreme case is the Aloha airlines 737 which last about 20 ft of cabin and managed a safe landing, although some people were killed on that one. Keith I believe there have been accident reports of much smaller holes than that Aloha example where passengers were indeed sucked out. I've been following this thread for awhile and have heard of most of these incidents before. I notice that 'all' the posts refer to "People etc being sucked out". Isn't the proper term "Blown out" by the higher air pressure inside?, rather than being "Sucked out by the lower air pressure outside?. I realize that the same effect would be realized in either case but it seems to go against my grain to call it "Sucked out". Any thoughts?. You are right in the sense that vacuum cleaners do not "suck", the rest of the world blows into them. You are right in the sense that you don't "suck" drinks through straws, the atmosphere blows the drinks through. There is no sucking, only blowing ("blowing" may involve pressures other than atmospheric.) Or at least that's what a physicist with the tendencies of a theoretical mathematician would say. Personally, I understand that something being "sucked" from one place to another involves differential pressures with the higher pressure providing the work but gladly accept either term when the idea is to convey ideas and the idea was conveyed. |
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"John Keeney" wrote:
but gladly accept either term when the idea is to convey ideas and the idea was conveyed. Good point John, why does it really matter what the vehicle is as long as the idea gets across? Mind you, it does give those of us who have pedantic tendencies something to do. But then, why travel in a pickup when one could have ridden in style in a Porche? Sorry, lost control for a minute there... -- -Gord. |
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The subject of your query puzzles me as this is a military aviation forum
but will attempt an answer for you. If it hits nothing vital (electrical, hydraulic, etc) the answer is...pretty much nothing. Tex The reason I posted it here is that here is the place where the people who think about this kind of crap congregate. Like me. |
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