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Old January 27th 21, 12:21 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:46:13 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 1:20:09 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Saturday, January 9, 2021 at 4:51:05 PM UTC-5, Matt Herron Jr. wrote:
could on-site rapid testing be implemented for all SSA sanctioned contests this year? I realize its better to get tested 5 days prior and then quarantine, but its better than nothing.
On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 9:21:12 AM UTC-8, Richard Owen wrote:
Happy New Year (almost)! Although 2020 was difficult, it is heartening how many of us have adapted to this virus. The first day of the Senior Soaring Championship was the same day the President called Covid a National Emergency. We did not have a single case within 100 miles of the gliderport. The contest staff met several times to change the format of the contest. No meetings, gloves, sanitizer, take away food at dinners, and staying socially distanced. We completed the contest but that was at the beginning of the virus. At Seminole-Lake we suspended all training and rides but did provide towing services. You had to hook up your own glider and pay via electronic means. During the summer, Florida gradually opened up and we adapted again. We started training, limited rides, and normal towing services. We did have one of our staff get Covid and he recovered without going to the hospital. The student and instructor quarantined and our procedures checked again.

Our business in early summer was off year to year but around June it started back. Now we are doing OK. We have slightly less students and flight training than last year, but with the challenges over the last 10 months, we are doing extremely well.

In October we decided to go forward with the Senior Soaring Championship for 2021. Right now we have over 53 pilots signed up with several who will be registering in the next couple of days. Our contestants are over 55 years old and most are over 60 years old. We have a Covid mitigation plan, reviewed it with the county health department, and are trying to arrange testing for all competitors upon arrival. Hope may not be a strategy in sailplane racing (thanks DB), but it is a trait Americans are born with. Looking forward to a better 2021 and hope you and your families are safe and healthy. If you need a new glider rating, we would love to see you at Seminole-Lake Gliderport!

Cheers,
Richard Owen
Vice President
Seminole Flying & Soaring

Good luck with the on site testing, us seniors cannot even get the vaccine, yet others come from NY and other states to get their vaccine shots in Florida. Argentina and Brazil are selling COVID packages to Florida. My wife is in the medical field, talk to her about the availability!

My wife and I got up early and went to our area's mass vaccination site this morning after hearing on the news last night that it was open and no reservations were required - it was first come, first served. After waiting in line for an hour we were asked for our reservation, which we didn't have, and were turned away! A call to the local health department revealed that the state had changed the rules last night at 8:30 pm. So, now we are trying to get a reservation, but they are all filled. Sigh...

The excuses are already rolling out faster than the vaccinations. The Trump administration is (still) being blamed for not having a distribution plan (they did), are not getting vaccines out to the states (they did), and have no idea how many doses have been ordered and are on hand (they do). The truth is that the states have administered about half of the doses they have received:
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations
At least this is up from 25%. Meanwhile, some hospitals in NY are throwing doses out from fear of heavy fines by Cuomo. Sigh...

On top of that, real scientific studies are coming out proving what we knew all along: lockdowns don't work:
https://www.aier.org/article/new-stu...d-of-covid-19/

Tom

Tom, being a Librarian I laugh at what is going on, Andy was saying that Biden had a plan, where is it. I am still waiting on my vaccine shot just like you.
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Old January 27th 21, 12:25 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:46:13 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 1:20:09 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Saturday, January 9, 2021 at 4:51:05 PM UTC-5, Matt Herron Jr. wrote:
could on-site rapid testing be implemented for all SSA sanctioned contests this year? I realize its better to get tested 5 days prior and then quarantine, but its better than nothing.
On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 9:21:12 AM UTC-8, Richard Owen wrote:
Happy New Year (almost)! Although 2020 was difficult, it is heartening how many of us have adapted to this virus. The first day of the Senior Soaring Championship was the same day the President called Covid a National Emergency. We did not have a single case within 100 miles of the gliderport. The contest staff met several times to change the format of the contest. No meetings, gloves, sanitizer, take away food at dinners, and staying socially distanced. We completed the contest but that was at the beginning of the virus. At Seminole-Lake we suspended all training and rides but did provide towing services. You had to hook up your own glider and pay via electronic means. During the summer, Florida gradually opened up and we adapted again. We started training, limited rides, and normal towing services. We did have one of our staff get Covid and he recovered without going to the hospital. The student and instructor quarantined and our procedures checked again.

Our business in early summer was off year to year but around June it started back. Now we are doing OK. We have slightly less students and flight training than last year, but with the challenges over the last 10 months, we are doing extremely well.

In October we decided to go forward with the Senior Soaring Championship for 2021. Right now we have over 53 pilots signed up with several who will be registering in the next couple of days. Our contestants are over 55 years old and most are over 60 years old. We have a Covid mitigation plan, reviewed it with the county health department, and are trying to arrange testing for all competitors upon arrival. Hope may not be a strategy in sailplane racing (thanks DB), but it is a trait Americans are born with. Looking forward to a better 2021 and hope you and your families are safe and healthy. If you need a new glider rating, we would love to see you at Seminole-Lake Gliderport!

Cheers,
Richard Owen
Vice President
Seminole Flying & Soaring

Good luck with the on site testing, us seniors cannot even get the vaccine, yet others come from NY and other states to get their vaccine shots in Florida. Argentina and Brazil are selling COVID packages to Florida. My wife is in the medical field, talk to her about the availability!

My wife and I got up early and went to our area's mass vaccination site this morning after hearing on the news last night that it was open and no reservations were required - it was first come, first served. After waiting in line for an hour we were asked for our reservation, which we didn't have, and were turned away! A call to the local health department revealed that the state had changed the rules last night at 8:30 pm. So, now we are trying to get a reservation, but they are all filled. Sigh...

The excuses are already rolling out faster than the vaccinations. The Trump administration is (still) being blamed for not having a distribution plan (they did), are not getting vaccines out to the states (they did), and have no idea how many doses have been ordered and are on hand (they do). The truth is that the states have administered about half of the doses they have received:
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations
At least this is up from 25%. Meanwhile, some hospitals in NY are throwing doses out from fear of heavy fines by Cuomo. Sigh...

On top of that, real scientific studies are coming out proving what we knew all along: lockdowns don't work:
https://www.aier.org/article/new-stu...d-of-covid-19/

Tom

On Monday the site was opened up at 9.30 for appointments and 30 thousand people were online waiting for appointments, but there were only two thousand vaccine dosages available.
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Old January 27th 21, 12:50 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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wrote on 1/26/2021 3:25 PM:
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:46:13 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 1:20:09 PM UTC-8, wrote:

....
Good luck with the on site testing, us seniors cannot even get the vaccine, yet others come from NY and other states to get their vaccine shots in Florida. Argentina and Brazil are selling COVID packages to Florida. My wife is in the medical field, talk to her about the availability!

My wife and I got up early and went to our area's mass vaccination site this morning after hearing on the news last night that it was open and no reservations were required - it was first come, first served. After waiting in line for an hour we were asked for our reservation, which we didn't have, and were turned away! A call to the local health department revealed that the state had changed the rules last night at 8:30 pm. So, now we are trying to get a reservation, but they are all filled. Sigh...

The excuses are already rolling out faster than the vaccinations. The Trump administration is (still) being blamed for not having a distribution plan (they did), are not getting vaccines out to the states (they did), and have no idea how many doses have been ordered and are on hand (they do). The truth is that the states have administered about half of the doses they have received:
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations
At least this is up from 25%. Meanwhile, some hospitals in NY are throwing doses out from fear of heavy fines by Cuomo. Sigh...

On top of that, real scientific studies are coming out proving what we knew all along: lockdowns don't work:
https://www.aier.org/article/new-stu...d-of-covid-19/

Tom

On Monday the site was opened up at 9.30 for appointments and 30 thousand people were online waiting for appointments, but there were only two thousand vaccine dosages available.

How is this related to our soaring vendors business? Surely there are more appropriate venues
for political discussions.

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Old January 27th 21, 01:32 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 6:50:53 PM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:
wrote on 1/26/2021 3:25 PM:
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:46:13 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 1:20:09 PM UTC-8, wrote:

...
Good luck with the on site testing, us seniors cannot even get the vaccine, yet others come from NY and other states to get their vaccine shots in Florida. Argentina and Brazil are selling COVID packages to Florida. My wife is in the medical field, talk to her about the availability!
My wife and I got up early and went to our area's mass vaccination site this morning after hearing on the news last night that it was open and no reservations were required - it was first come, first served. After waiting in line for an hour we were asked for our reservation, which we didn't have, and were turned away! A call to the local health department revealed that the state had changed the rules last night at 8:30 pm. So, now we are trying to get a reservation, but they are all filled. Sigh...

The excuses are already rolling out faster than the vaccinations. The Trump administration is (still) being blamed for not having a distribution plan (they did), are not getting vaccines out to the states (they did), and have no idea how many doses have been ordered and are on hand (they do). The truth is that the states have administered about half of the doses they have received:
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations
At least this is up from 25%. Meanwhile, some hospitals in NY are throwing doses out from fear of heavy fines by Cuomo. Sigh...

On top of that, real scientific studies are coming out proving what we knew all along: lockdowns don't work:
https://www.aier.org/article/new-stu...d-of-covid-19/

Tom

On Monday the site was opened up at 9.30 for appointments and 30 thousand people were online waiting for appointments, but there were only two thousand vaccine dosages available.

How is this related to our soaring vendors business? Surely there are more appropriate venues
for political discussions.

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- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1


Eric, maybe I should have said, "Tow Pilots Want Vaccinations Also".
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Old January 27th 21, 01:49 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 3:21:43 PM UTC-8, wrote:
...Andy was saying that Biden had a plan, where is it. I am still waiting on my vaccine shot just like you.


We've had a year to get a plan in place so whatever you're experiencing right now is whatever momentum was built up from 2020. The system is like a 2-mile long freight train going 5 mph. You're wondering why we're not going 100 mph after the equivalent of 5 seconds. Answer: A=F/M. But I also figured you thought the train was going plenty fast already - nothing wrong with the prior 'plan'.

I suggest we all track vaccinations per day and see what the trend looks like to judge the plan over the next three months. I noticed that the shots allocated to the states per day is up ~15% in the first week - in part because production visibility is improving due to...deliberate efforts to improve production visibility.

I know - six whole days - how come we haven't vaccinated everybody yet? Where's the plan?

Another big difference this week is the administration just bought an additional 200 million vaccine doses from Pfizer and Moderna. The Trump administration kinda forgot to order enough for everyone ever since the initial order in June of enough doses to vaccinate 1/4 of the population. You have to excuse them, they were preoccupied trying to overturn the election results - a very important Constitutional duty laid out by the sovereign citizens on Q-Anon - so now we've had to go to the back of the line behind the rest of the world who had more foresight and ability to count their population - oops! I'm told that Trump didn't want to order more because he thought he could negotiate a better deal later, but later never came. At the time economists pointed out that saving a few billion in vaccine cost at the risk of trillions in economic damage from delay is a dopy idea. But you don't need to be an egghead to figure that out, you just need to be not Donal Trump - who never was very good with math. So now we're stuck with the dopey decision that may lead to supply shortages in March or April so you might have to wait until summer unless J&J can fill the gap or the Administration does some DPA manufacturing **** that Trump also declined to do - or the re-order gets delivered. At least, it seems there is a plan to fix the prioritization scheme that they inherited which, while well-intentioned, was clearly too complex to implement without making a mess with shortages, waste and long lines. Make the most of what supply we have - planning!

I realize it's been six whole days - vs the past year where much of the plan had to do with the pandemic magically going away - that's super easy to plan for! Just do nothing! So now you're looking for a big improvement over the prior state of affairs - on day six. At the same time I hear the argument that the state of affairs that existed prior to Jan 20 was perfectly fine because Trump had a great plan already in place - which was essentially pre-ordering not enough vaccines and calling it Warp Speed.

Honestly, I figured you as an advocate for the view that COVID's a hoax where infections are over-stated by 300x and no one dies because everyone who died actually died of something else. So why are you complaining about waiting for a shot that you likely neither want nor need? Let someone who believes it's real and dangerous get in line in front of you - or skip it entirely - that way there's more for the rest of us. Problem solved!

But actually it's all Fauci's fault for disagreeing with the President about that swallowing disinfectant thing.

Andy Blackburn
9B

Back to gliding please.
  #46  
Old January 27th 21, 05:20 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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wrote on 1/26/2021 4:32 PM:
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 6:50:53 PM UTC-5, Eric Greenwell wrote:
wrote on 1/26/2021 3:25 PM:
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:46:13 PM UTC-5, 2G wrote:
On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 1:20:09 PM UTC-8, wrote:

...
Good luck with the on site testing, us seniors cannot even get the vaccine, yet others come from NY and other states to get their vaccine shots in Florida. Argentina and Brazil are selling COVID packages to Florida. My wife is in the medical field, talk to her about the availability!
My wife and I got up early and went to our area's mass vaccination site this morning after hearing on the news last night that it was open and no reservations were required - it was first come, first served. After waiting in line for an hour we were asked for our reservation, which we didn't have, and were turned away! A call to the local health department revealed that the state had changed the rules last night at 8:30 pm. So, now we are trying to get a reservation, but they are all filled. Sigh...

The excuses are already rolling out faster than the vaccinations. The Trump administration is (still) being blamed for not having a distribution plan (they did), are not getting vaccines out to the states (they did), and have no idea how many doses have been ordered and are on hand (they do). The truth is that the states have administered about half of the doses they have received:
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations
At least this is up from 25%. Meanwhile, some hospitals in NY are throwing doses out from fear of heavy fines by Cuomo. Sigh...

On top of that, real scientific studies are coming out proving what we knew all along: lockdowns don't work:
https://www.aier.org/article/new-stu...d-of-covid-19/

Tom
On Monday the site was opened up at 9.30 for appointments and 30 thousand people were online waiting for appointments, but there were only two thousand vaccine dosages available.

How is this related to our soaring vendors business? Surely there are more appropriate venues
for political discussions.


Eric, maybe I should have said, "Tow Pilots Want Vaccinations Also".

It's not what you said, it's where you and Tom are saying it: RAS. There are venues where
everyone wold love to have you make these comments.

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Old January 27th 21, 08:11 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 7:49:43 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 3:21:43 PM UTC-8, wrote:
...Andy was saying that Biden had a plan, where is it. I am still waiting on my vaccine shot just like you.


We've had a year to get a plan in place so whatever you're experiencing right now is whatever momentum was built up from 2020. The system is like a 2-mile long freight train going 5 mph. You're wondering why we're not going 100 mph after the equivalent of 5 seconds. Answer: A=F/M. But I also figured you thought the train was going plenty fast already - nothing wrong with the prior 'plan'.

I suggest we all track vaccinations per day and see what the trend looks like to judge the plan over the next three months. I noticed that the shots allocated to the states per day is up ~15% in the first week - in part because production visibility is improving due to...deliberate efforts to improve production visibility.

I know - six whole days - how come we haven't vaccinated everybody yet? Where's the plan?

Another big difference this week is the administration just bought an additional 200 million vaccine doses from Pfizer and Moderna. The Trump administration kinda forgot to order enough for everyone ever since the initial order in June of enough doses to vaccinate 1/4 of the population. You have to excuse them, they were preoccupied trying to overturn the election results - a very important Constitutional duty laid out by the sovereign citizens on Q-Anon - so now we've had to go to the back of the line behind the rest of the world who had more foresight and ability to count their population - oops! I'm told that Trump didn't want to order more because he thought he could negotiate a better deal later, but later never came. At the time economists pointed out that saving a few billion in vaccine cost at the risk of trillions in economic damage from delay is a dopy idea. But you don't need to be an egghead to figure that out, you just need to be not Donal Trump - who never was very good with math. So now we're stuck with the dopey decision that may lead to supply shortages in March or April so you might have to wait until summer unless J&J can fill the gap or the Administration does some DPA manufacturing **** that Trump also declined to do - or the re-order gets delivered. At least, it seems there is a plan to fix the prioritization scheme that they inherited which, while well-intentioned, was clearly too complex to implement without making a mess with shortages, waste and long lines. Make the most of what supply we have - planning!

I realize it's been six whole days - vs the past year where much of the plan had to do with the pandemic magically going away - that's super easy to plan for! Just do nothing! So now you're looking for a big improvement over the prior state of affairs - on day six. At the same time I hear the argument that the state of affairs that existed prior to Jan 20 was perfectly fine because Trump had a great plan already in place - which was essentially pre-ordering not enough vaccines and calling it Warp Speed.

Honestly, I figured you as an advocate for the view that COVID's a hoax where infections are over-stated by 300x and no one dies because everyone who died actually died of something else. So why are you complaining about waiting for a shot that you likely neither want nor need? Let someone who believes it's real and dangerous get in line in front of you - or skip it entirely - that way there's more for the rest of us. Problem solved!

But actually it's all Fauci's fault for disagreeing with the President about that swallowing disinfectant thing.

Andy Blackburn
9B

Back to gliding please.


Andy, with all due respect, you are watching way too much MSNBC!
  #48  
Old January 27th 21, 01:33 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 2:11:59 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 7:49:43 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 3:21:43 PM UTC-8, wrote:
...Andy was saying that Biden had a plan, where is it. I am still waiting on my vaccine shot just like you.


We've had a year to get a plan in place so whatever you're experiencing right now is whatever momentum was built up from 2020. The system is like a 2-mile long freight train going 5 mph. You're wondering why we're not going 100 mph after the equivalent of 5 seconds. Answer: A=F/M. But I also figured you thought the train was going plenty fast already - nothing wrong with the prior 'plan'.

I suggest we all track vaccinations per day and see what the trend looks like to judge the plan over the next three months. I noticed that the shots allocated to the states per day is up ~15% in the first week - in part because production visibility is improving due to...deliberate efforts to improve production visibility.

I know - six whole days - how come we haven't vaccinated everybody yet? Where's the plan?

Another big difference this week is the administration just bought an additional 200 million vaccine doses from Pfizer and Moderna. The Trump administration kinda forgot to order enough for everyone ever since the initial order in June of enough doses to vaccinate 1/4 of the population. You have to excuse them, they were preoccupied trying to overturn the election results - a very important Constitutional duty laid out by the sovereign citizens on Q-Anon - so now we've had to go to the back of the line behind the rest of the world who had more foresight and ability to count their population - oops! I'm told that Trump didn't want to order more because he thought he could negotiate a better deal later, but later never came. At the time economists pointed out that saving a few billion in vaccine cost at the risk of trillions in economic damage from delay is a dopy idea. But you don't need to be an egghead to figure that out, you just need to be not Donal Trump - who never was very good with math. So now we're stuck with the dopey decision that may lead to supply shortages in March or April so you might have to wait until summer unless J&J can fill the gap or the Administration does some DPA manufacturing **** that Trump also declined to do - or the re-order gets delivered. At least, it seems there is a plan to fix the prioritization scheme that they inherited which, while well-intentioned, was clearly too complex to implement without making a mess with shortages, waste and long lines. Make the most of what supply we have - planning!

I realize it's been six whole days - vs the past year where much of the plan had to do with the pandemic magically going away - that's super easy to plan for! Just do nothing! So now you're looking for a big improvement over the prior state of affairs - on day six. At the same time I hear the argument that the state of affairs that existed prior to Jan 20 was perfectly fine because Trump had a great plan already in place - which was essentially pre-ordering not enough vaccines and calling it Warp Speed.

Honestly, I figured you as an advocate for the view that COVID's a hoax where infections are over-stated by 300x and no one dies because everyone who died actually died of something else. So why are you complaining about waiting for a shot that you likely neither want nor need? Let someone who believes it's real and dangerous get in line in front of you - or skip it entirely - that way there's more for the rest of us. Problem solved!

But actually it's all Fauci's fault for disagreeing with the President about that swallowing disinfectant thing.

Andy Blackburn
9B

Back to gliding please.

Andy, with all due respect, you are watching way too much MSNBC

I think Andy is pretty much dead on, and that most of his opinions are based on verifiable facts. Consider that maybe, just maybe, you've got some of it wrong.
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Old January 27th 21, 03:12 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
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On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 1:11:59 AM UTC-6, wrote:

Andy, with all due respect, you are watching way too much MSNBC!


Bob,

With all due respect, you are watching too much Fox "news"

Rich L.
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Y'all watch too much TV. If you shut your TV off, the 'rona goes away. Try it.
 




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