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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
On Jan 15, 5:02*pm, John Smith wrote:
Shirl wrote: Witness said they held the nose up and that it looked like a normal landing only on water instead of a runway. Surprise! Who knew, Airbuses float...JG |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
On Jan 15, 3:12*pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Kingfish writes: Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the Hudson after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about birdstrikes, but can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They sure picked a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is ok... Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. *Jet engines don't often fail all on their own. Well, according to http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...s/eng08036.xml By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor stalls/surges account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's turbofans. This is a change from earlier generation turbine designs in which uncontained failures were the principal malfunction. Since stall/ surge is the primary engine malfunction, one would assume that it would be a regular item during initial, recurrent or simulator training. And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or being exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session. |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
On 16 Jan, 05:37, John wrote:
On Jan 15, 3:12*pm, Mxsmanic wrote: Kingfish writes: Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the Hudson after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about birdstrikes, but can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They sure picked a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is ok... Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. *Jet engines don't often fail all on their own. Well, according tohttp://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=busa... By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor stalls/surges account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's turbofans. This is a change from earlier generation turbine designs in which uncontained failures were the principal malfunction. Since stall/ surge is the primary engine malfunction, one would assume that it would be a regular item during initial, recurrent or simulator training. And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or being exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session. Hmmm. That article does not mention the word "bird"; and yet they do happen. There was a similar double engin failure in Italy only a few months ago. Similar but less wet outcome. I am also aware of a single engine failure of a commercial jet in the uk in the last few years. Video on internet. So, that article does not seem to be identifying bird strikes as a cause even though they happen. |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
John wrote:
Well, according to http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...s/eng08036.xml By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor stalls/surges account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's turbofans. This is a change from earlier generation turbine designs in which uncontained failures were the principal malfunction. Since stall/ surge is the primary engine malfunction, one would assume that it would be a regular item during initial, recurrent or simulator training. And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or being exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session. That's strange, every recurrent we have at lest one or two occurrences of compressor stall/surge, after v1/rotation. You should talk to your instructors, it is something to be experienced, quite wild. |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
John writes:
And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or being exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session. What types of engine failures are pilots normally exposed to in simulation? |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
Hey Anthony, how about an admission of your being wrong (again). Where
do you get this information? On Jan 15, 3:12*pm, Mxsmanic wrote: Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. *Jet engines don't often fail all on their own. Well, according tohttp://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=busa... By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor stalls/surges account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's turbofans. |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
On Jan 16, 1:08*am, Mxsmanic wrote:
John writes: And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or being exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session. What types of engine failures are pilots normally exposed to in simulation? As usual, you divert the discussion AWAY from the false information you posted. Can you admit you were wrong? |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
On Jan 16, 4:15*am, Ricky wrote:
On Jan 16, 1:08*am, Mxsmanic wrote: John writes: And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or being exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session. What types of engine failures are pilots normally exposed to in simulation? As usual, you divert the discussion AWAY from the false information you posted. Can you admit you were wrong? It's useful to think of Anthony as an insect strike on a windshield rather than a bird strike on a turbine. |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
On Jan 15, 4:45*pm, "Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com wrote:
"Shirl" wrote in message ... Kingfish wrote: CNN is reporting all 135 on board got off the plane (and didn't get wet!) Apparently a flock of geese got in the way soon after takeoff, and both engines sucked in birds. Damn the luck... Depends how you choose to view it. I'd say their luck was pretty damn good! Unless you're a goose than this was an atrocity. There were no geese harmed. There was no atrocity. It's all a fabrication of the goose controlled government media, the mouthpiece of the Tri-goose Commission. |
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Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
Ricky wrote:
Hey Anthony, how about an admission of your being wrong (again). Where do you get this information? On Jan 15, 3:12Â*pm, Mxsmanic wrote: Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. Â*Jet engines don't often fail all on their own. Well, according tohttp://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=busa... By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor stalls/surges account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's turbofans. Let me make a guess... He once read an article on the Internet about engine failures within some contraints and then, since things like context are alien to him, applied that to all engines on all airplanes in all circumstances. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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