U-234 mention in the paper

"Dav1936531" wrote in message
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From: "Keith Willshaw"


Of course they did which is a good reason for not adopting their
methods, even if the captain was a Nazi, which is unproven
he was still entitled to be treated as per the Geneva convention.
Keith

The other poster said he was complaining about rough treatment and having
been
"demonized" by American personnel stuffed full of anti-Nazi propaganda. He
didn't mention that he wasn't treated as per the Geneva convention. Do you
have
information that he wasn't?


rough treatment would appear to contravene the Geneva Convention

Quote
Art 13. Prisoners of war must at all times be humanely treated. Any unlawful
act or omission by the Detaining Power causing death or seriously
endangering the health of a prisoner of war in its custody is prohibited,
and will be regarded as a serious breach of the present Convention. In
particular, no prisoner of war may be subjected to physical mutilation or to
medical or scientific experiments of any kind which are not justified by the
medical, dental or hospital treatment of the prisoner concerned and carried
out in his interest.

Likewise, prisoners of war must at all times be protected, particularly
against acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public
curiosity.
/Quote


I am not sure that receiving a fat lip after one gets sassy with your POW
guard
violates the convention, or would call for an inquiry even.

It does and would just as as a civil prison officer giving a fat lip to a
sassy
inmate woukd be illegal and call for an inquiry.

Dave

Keith

"Denyav" wrote in message
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As for the cargo it was carrying around 500kg of natural Uranium Oxide,
nothing like enough to build a reactor but which in the absence of
tungsten
or chrome was a useful additive for hardening steel.

Well,Keith U-234 was carying besides u-235 you mentioned,something much
more
important than that, namely 12 steel canisters. After a
military-scientific
commission investigated the canisters,the chairman of commission stated in
July
1945 that the Germans were "100 years ahead of US".
Some documents should stay at least 75 years under the lock.



Ah yes mysterious documents who's existence cant be proven cause they
are so sekrit that only readers pf konspiracy magazine know of their
existence.

And of course the Nazis had a zillion atom bombs but kindly
Uncle Adolf didnt want to use them against those nice Russians
who were sending him birthday greetings by howitzer.

Silly season is here again.

Keith

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in news:bgmbo3
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Silly season is here again.

In a newsgroup with T*rver, D*nyev, B*rtie, etc., does silly season ever end?

:-)

"Clark" stillnospam@me wrote in message
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in news:bgmbo3
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[snip]

Silly season is here again.

In a newsgroup with T*rver, D*nyev, B*rtie, etc., does silly season ever
end?

:-)


True very true

I defer to your greater insight.

Keith

"Denyav" wrote in message
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SNIP

Well,Keith U-234 was carying besides u-235 you mentioned,something much
more
important than that, namely 12 steel canisters. After a
military-scientific
commission investigated the canisters,the chairman of commission stated in
July
1945 that the Germans were "100 years ahead of US".
Some documents should stay at least 75 years under the lock.

This one is hard to accept, inasmuch as the cargo was being sent to Japan.
Is it logical to conclude that Hitler's Germany would send technology so
advanced that she could not herself make use of it, to Japan, which at the
time certainly had no comparable technological base from which to capitalize
on it, so late in the day?

From: "Keith Willshaw"


"Dav1936531" wrote
I am not sure that receiving a fat lip after one gets sassy with your POW
guard violates the convention, or would call for an inquiry even.

It does and would just as as a civil prison officer giving a fat lip to a
sassy inmate woukd be illegal and call for an inquiry.
Keith

The law is only as good as it's enforcment. The guy is lucky he didn't get his
teeth bashed out.
Dave

"Denyav" wrote in message
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This one is hard to accept, inasmuch as the cargo was being sent to
Japan.
Is it logical to conclude that Hitler's Germany would send technology so
advanced that she could not herself make use of it, to Japan, which at
the
time certainly had no comparable technological base from which to
capitalize
on it, so late in the day?

Actualy they were in process but they needed two more months for nuclear
weapons and at least 8 months for America rocket.
BTW advances in German advanced weapon research was the real reason behind
Normandy landings.

Actually the real reason was to make sure Western Europe didnt
become part of the Soviet Empire

Keith

"Denyav" wrote in message
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I am sure Uncle Adolf would use atom bombs aganist anyone,even aganist
Germans
only if he had one.
He needed only two months more to do that when US forces occupied
Thuringen
Forest.
I would like to see your source on that one. My understanding is
that the Germans were years from nuclear success. There is a picture that
sometimes surfaces of a convincing-looking nuclear reactor, but they never
made it work. They never achieved a chain reaction, a basic step towards
designing and producing a plutonium weapon. Several books/articles that I
have read point to one crucial miscalculation, they had miscalculated the
cross-section of the Uranium atom to a neutron reaction. There is some
speculation that the miscalculation was deliberate. I know of no Uranium
separation plants that they had on a sufficient scale to make a weapon
within any short time frame, so they were not near to building a Uranium
weapon. For an idea what that takes, go visit Oak Ridge.

BTW Keith, after the cease-fire British forces seized in Hamburg 10 t
stored
heavy water
Heavy water is convenient, because it is a very good moderator of
neutrons and makes it much easier to make a nuclear reactor. However, it is
not a necessary or even a common part of today's nuclear reactors and AFAIK
is not used in nuclear weapons at all.


,what do you thing Germans,famous for their precise
bookkeeping,simply forget such important ware neccesary for the
development of
their nuclear program in a warehouse in Hamburg?

Who says they did?

Actualy they were in process but they needed two more months for nuclear
weapons and at least 8 months for America rocket.
BTW advances in German advanced weapon research was the real reason behind
Normandy landings.

I sure would like to know what history books you have been reading. The
invasion of Normandy along with the one from the south was to keep the Soviets
from occupying nothern and central Europe.

As for the 2 months until they had an atomic bomb I'd sure like to know when
they were going to get sufficient uranium or plutonium since they had no where
near enough in May 1945. The Brits put the German nuke progam scientists in a
well bugged house in England after they were captured. They reacted to the news
of the atomic bombing of Japan with shock. They couldn't understand how the
U.S. had pulled it off since they themselves hadn't figured out how to do it.

As for the Amerika rocket IIRC its payload was around 500 - 1000 kg. I may be
wrong, but that's how I remember it. They never intended to heave nukes with
it.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

"John Mullen" wrote in message
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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Good point Keith!

I went there once, they've made a really good job of reconstructing the
array for the experiment. Haigerloch is also notable for the quality of
its
beer, btw!

http://www.haigerloch.de/stadt/kelle...ch/EKELLER.HTM

John



Its definitely on my 'must see' list

Keith