Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure

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§ñühw¤£f wrote:

I propose a technological solution to the problem
of
bird
strikes:
turboprops.
Lets return to the good old days pre-jet engines.

Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra example is
a
turboprop,
the
above poster apparently didn't realize that a
turboprop engine
has a
jet
engine.

Discuss.

The large piston engines were incredibly complex,
and generally
could
drive airliners at only about half the speed of
those
with
the
pure
jet
engines.


yes, but they were so much more fun


Bertie

Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles.

Excellent. I'll sign on for a course.


Yeah, think on that for a while.

Its either that or the locomotive, chaps.

Only if it's a real one. i.e. Steam

No! Hell no!

And what pray tell is wrong with steam?

Steam locomotives? Everything.

Well man spit it out! Lets not play guessing games here!

Have you ever been on a working steam locomotive?

Not while its running.

They are very dirty (producing soot and ash. Very noisy.
(usually
about 90-105 dB. They get louder under full power)

Yeap. Coal fired mostly.

Most all locomotive engineers from the steam era were deaf.
and suffered breathing problems.

My granpa was one
Deaf as hell but no breathing problems...he didnt know who the
****
I
was later since he was all alzheimersy & stuff.

Most all locomotive engineers from the diesel era still
suffer hearing loss. Most all operating employees for
railroads with
more
than 10 years of service have some hearing loss. About ten
years
ago
the railroads started losing lawsuits over hearing losses and
started
a hearing conservation program. Too bad it was 27 years too
late.

YEah...back in the day it was a macho job and you didnt **** &
moan
about the conditions.

Biggest complaints from crews which still use those 1st and
2nd generation locomotives, noise and exhaust fumes in the
cab.

Ever seen a track weasel?


Mm, no. I seem to remeber hearing the term, though. What is it?


back in the olden days the trains toilet dumped straight onto
the tracks...the TP that persisted was called a "track weasel".




OK never heard of that. ANd now it's lodged in my head forever.
When will I learn?

Would the same thing happen if the blue ice sublimated leaving only
the residue floating in the air?

Didnt airlines used to just dump straight out the plane?
IIRC people & things were getting hit with GIANT ICEY TURD-CUBES.

shudder


Well, yes and no. There was a vent that sometimes woudl develop an
icicle, but it wasn't supposed to do that!

MOMMY MOMMY I FOUND A COMET!!!111!!!!

Do aliens use tampons???


What didyou think comets were? Surely the big string trailing behind
gave you a clue?


Bertie

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Bob Officer pinched out a steaming
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On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:31:29 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks,
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Bob Officer pinched out a
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:20:16 +0000 (UTC), in
alt.usenet.kooks,
Bertie
the Bunyip wrote:

§ñühw¤£f wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a
steaming
pile
:

"Scott M. Kozel" wrote in
news:gkvte8$eth$1 @news.motzarella.org:

§ñühw¤£f wrote:

I propose a technological solution to the problem
of
bird
strikes:
turboprops.
Lets return to the good old days pre-jet engines.

Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra example
is
a
turboprop,
the
above poster apparently didn't realize that a
turboprop engine
has a
jet
engine.

Discuss.

The large piston engines were incredibly complex,
and generally
could
drive airliners at only about half the speed of
those
with
the
pure
jet
engines.


yes, but they were so much more fun


Bertie

Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles.

Excellent. I'll sign on for a course.


Yeah, think on that for a while.

Its either that or the locomotive, chaps.

Only if it's a real one. i.e. Steam

No! Hell no!

And what pray tell is wrong with steam?

Steam locomotives? Everything.

Well man spit it out! Lets not play guessing games here!

Have you ever been on a working steam locomotive?

Not while its running.

They are very dirty (producing soot and ash. Very noisy.
(usually
about 90-105 dB. They get louder under full power)

Yeap. Coal fired mostly.

Most all locomotive engineers from the steam era were deaf.
and suffered breathing problems.

My granpa was one
Deaf as hell but no breathing problems...he didnt know who
the
****
I
was later since he was all alzheimersy & stuff.

Most all locomotive engineers from the diesel era still
suffer hearing loss. Most all operating employees for
railroads with
more
than 10 years of service have some hearing loss. About ten
years
ago
the railroads started losing lawsuits over hearing losses
and
started
a hearing conservation program. Too bad it was 27 years too
late.

YEah...back in the day it was a macho job and you didnt ****
&
moan
about the conditions.

Biggest complaints from crews which still use those 1st and
2nd generation locomotives, noise and exhaust fumes in the
cab.

Ever seen a track weasel?


Mm, no. I seem to remeber hearing the term, though. What is
it?


back in the olden days the trains toilet dumped straight onto
the tracks...the TP that persisted was called a "track
weasel".




OK never heard of that. ANd now it's lodged in my head forever.
When will I learn?

Would the same thing happen if the blue ice sublimated leaving
only
the residue floating in the air?

Didnt airlines used to just dump straight out the plane?
IIRC people & things were getting hit with GIANT ICEY TURD-CUBES.

shudder


Well, yes and no. There was a vent that sometimes woudl develop an
icicle, but it wasn't supposed to do that!

MOMMY MOMMY I FOUND A COMET!!!111!!!!

Do aliens use tampons???


What didyou think comets were? Surely the big string trailing behind
gave you a clue?


Its cosmic poop...

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On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:39:39 -0700, in alt.usenet.kooks, §ñühw¤£f
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In message , Bob Officer
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Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile
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Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:36:12 -0700, in alt.usenet.kooks,
§ñühw¤£f
wrote:

In message , Bob
Officer
wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:31:50 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks,
§ñühw¤£f
wrote:

Bob Officer pinched out a steaming
pile
:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:31:29 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks,
§ñühw¤£f
wrote:

Bob Officer pinched out a steaming
pile
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:20:16 +0000 (UTC), in
alt.usenet.kooks,
Bertie
the Bunyip wrote:

§ñühw¤£f wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a
steaming
pile
:

"Scott M. Kozel" wrote in
news:gkvte8$eth$1
:

§ñühw¤£f wrote:

I propose a technological solution to the problem
of
bird
strikes:
turboprops.
Lets return to the good old days pre-jet engines.

Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra example
is a
turboprop,
the
above poster apparently didn't realize that a
turboprop
engine
has a
jet
engine.

Discuss.

The large piston engines were incredibly complex,
and
generally
could
drive airliners at only about half the speed of
those
with
the
pure
jet
engines.


yes, but they were so much more fun


Bertie

Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles.

Excellent. I'll sign on for a course.


Yeah, think on that for a while.

Its either that or the locomotive, chaps.

Only if it's a real one. i.e. Steam

No! Hell no!

And what pray tell is wrong with steam?

Steam locomotives? Everything.

Well man spit it out! Lets not play guessing games here!

Have you ever been on a working steam locomotive?

Not while its running.

I have.

Didja get to be the shovelman?

No the engine had a working feed system. I do believe when Dad
Fired
steam on the L&N they had "stokers" that hand fed the coal if the
feed broke or didn't work.

Originally an operating crew would be the engineer, firemen, and
if
they had cars, a conductor and brakemen for every x numbers of
cars
on the territory. Stokers were not really members of "the crew",
but
worked under the direction of the Locomotive Firemen. The
Engineer
operated the locomotive and was responsible for the trains safe
operation. The Conductor was in charge of cars and the contents,
there of and the assignment and positioning of his brake men. The
brakes on the train were set (by hand) at the direction of the
engineer. (all those whistle signals.)

Then the airbrakes came about, the need for multiple brakemen for
x
number of cars.

Yeah..."improvements" to the system cut manpower. now all you have
is
one or two people per train trying to stay awake.
So much for "progress".

You don't know the half of it...

The roundhouse up in essex was taken down and people lost jobs.
Every time theres some manpower saving device, people loose jobs.
Eventually we'll all sit at home or whatever and the robots will
do everything.

Yep and if things don't done exactly right...

Well the last big accident in the news was the guy on a cell phone in
Los Angeles or nearby and that was *human* error.
The robots cant do much worse.


They are very dirty (producing soot and ash. Very noisy.
(usually
about 90-105 dB. They get louder under full power)

Yeap. Coal fired mostly.

One coal and everything else was oil.

Leave us not forget *wood*...it was plentiful once across the
country.

Most all locomotive engineers from the steam era were deaf.
and
suffered breathing problems.

My granpa was one

So was mine, and so was my Dad.

Go Union!

However That wasn't how it worked. Grandad worked the Rock Island
St
Louis to Sikeston he retired at 65 with something like 50 years
of
service. Pop worked for the L&N @ Cleveland, Tn. Then he came
west
during WW2. He went to work for the SP and retired with 45+ years
of
combined service. There was 20 months of military service, and he
was
discharged because of heart murmur.


Still...back in the day...those *were* good jobs.
At least you had some security.
Downsizing wasn't the norm. Now, its "oh ****, the passenger load
has
dropped off by 5%, lets fire a bunch of people and cut service".

up until about 1990 there was a seasonal flow. As the business
would
ebb people in operating crafts would be cut off/layed off. Then
called back in senority order. Some would stick around and others
would find work eslewhere and wouldn't come back. Around here lots
of
kids put themselves through college working all summer for the RR
and
then getting cut off right up until the xmas rush. Then they would
be
cutoff until the summer. here is even an area where they kids would
work only the weekends getting cut off every monday morning and
called back every friday night.

Part timers get no bennies, sure.

If they worked one day a month... they had the health bennies. almost
everyone worked one day a month. the only time I didn't was, away on
Active Military Duty or when I was off injured on duty. I still got
bennies then.

Well...obviously I know absolutely nothing about this subject.
Not that it would stop me

It would generally take a person 5-7 years before they could work
year round. 10-12 before they could work regular jobs on a temporay
basis. and 20 plus to hold any sort of regular job on a year round
basis.

Railroad reschedual work on a need be basis (within the scope of
the
union contracts) so their is a big degree of non-control. They are
subject tot he demands and needs of the shippers.

Floriduh just gave CSX a big huge contract.

good

bad for the everglades or something, iirc.
or it takes from the general fund and the poor need the money more.



Deaf as hell but no breathing problems...he didnt know who the
****
I
was
later since he was all alzheimersy & stuff.

My dad died from lung cancer (both Small Cell Carcinoma and
Metastasized melanoma.

Bummer...the smoke was it?

Asbestos and/or smoke.

Me-so-thee-lee-oh-ma.
nods

You got it.

Well I hope not

I hope so too. ugly way to go.

Libby Montana knows a thing or two about aSSbest0s...
**** WR Grace to hell.

Most all locomotive engineers from the diesel era still
suffer
hearing loss. Most all operating employees for railroads
with
more
than 10 years of service have some hearing loss. About ten
years
ago
the railroads started losing lawsuits over hearing losses
and
started
a hearing conservation program. Too bad it was 27 years too
late.

YEah...back in the day it was a macho job and you didnt **** &
moan
about the conditions.

The ****ed and moaned even then. I've listen to those guys all
my
life.

no...they laughed at management...but as for crying about the
conditions?

Yep the ****ed and moaned about that too.

Well yer fambly wasn't "stoic" then.

all to often the conditions were what you could make them. the
trouble is most of the people were content to work in substandard
conditions.

After the union busting in Bisbee Arizona in 1910 or
so...sure...beats getting
put on box cars, taken into the desert, and shot by thugs.

So much for freedom taken for granted, isn't it.

Union busting was a violent and oft forgotten part of american history.
Trying to organise could get you killed, back in the day.


No real railroader would complain "its too tough".

Being gone most of the time? Missing their families? If it wasn't
for
the "good money", they would have left.

My grandpa was lucky then. He worked one line and was home often
enough...GNRY.

Dad was gone from home about 60% of the nights. The road work had a
layover at the away from home point. It was almost like a second
home
for him.

Did he have a second wife?


Only after he divorced his 1st wife.

Ouch.

Today the railroad has cut
its pay for new hires to 30%. Wages have effectively dropped
since
1985 to about 65% of what they were compared to pre-1985. The
employees with seniority (like me) have made up for this by just
working trips. I now work 25 days a month compared to the 18-19
days
I worked before 1985. The cry was a demand for more productivity.
the
Grace commission of Ronnie agreed. The funny thing is while
productivity went up wages decreased. The number of working
employees
decreased and got the average age increased. this increased the
health care costs and over the next 4 contracts the carriers
cried
about the increases to health care cost. (the fact the employees
health care increases because of increase of work stress also was
ignored.)

I ****ing hated Reagan.
His passing made me smile

The only thing was he never felt the pain he caused. The idiot
would
cut firewood for fun. did he realize his actions created a group of
people that were cutting firewood just to feed their families.

He lived in a lovely 1950's family show that played in his head.
The world to him was just one big Leave It to Beaver episode.

or Father Knows Best. I think he felt himself more like Ozzie Nelson.
If you watch the way he spoke, it was much of the same phrase tempo.


Some of the nicest people are really assholes.

^_^

Biggest complaints from crews which still use those 1st and
2nd
generation locomotives, noise and exhaust fumes in the cab.

Ever seen a track weasel?

I seen just about everything. including the look on a kids face
just
after he finally looked up and saw the locomotive, just before
it
hit
him.

Ugh. Musta been a deaf kid.

Nope, listening to his ipod at full volume.

Holy shnikeies!!!

I just said "****!"

Sad.

It was.

When the conductor and brakemen went back to look, then found his
Ipod laying near the impact sight, still playing at full volume.
He was listening to some sort of Rap.

ZOMGZ! I *knew* it! "Rap kills".

That's a valid assumption.

It wasn't the train that killed him, it was the Rap!

Ipods are dangerous and should be banned.
nods

Well, I use an mp3 player to feed my music selections into the Car or
Boats music player. I have an 80 gb device. It also works as a spare
back-up. stores my Navigation Maps/RIS files.

Counseled use.

User beware doing *this* could result in *bad* things.


Ban in-car video screens in the front seat area.
OOPS! There goes the OnStar screen in moms caddy.



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"George" wrote in message
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.. . On Jan 18, 3:37 pm, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote:

I'm not Mx, and you can't seem to decide if you are George or
Ricky.

Are you having an identity crisis?

Take the "a" out of Maxwell & you get MX.

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Wow dicky, you figured that out all on your own?

Take the G out of George or the R out of ricky, and you still have
a
dumb ass.



An take the asshole out of MAxie and you got nothing.

Bertie

Not true, take the asshole out of anything, and you would be holding
a
Baby Bertie.


Ah, more IKYABWAI lames..



C'mon maxie at least try to makeit a little bit interesting.



Bertie

Sorry, no one can make you interesting.




Sure they can Maxie.

For instance, the nice folks over at alt.usenet.kooksfind me dead boring
unless I feed them fresh k00ks like you.

Bertie

Oh yeah, lamer, that's real important. (wink wink)

A supposed/wannabe/thinksheis airline pilot, that spends all his off time
thinking he is some kind of world class troll, and aspiring to the like of
alt.usenet.kooks.

Yep, your the real deal. Not.

In message , Bob Officer wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 09:57:44 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, §ñühw¤£f
wrote:

Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 16:39:39 -0700, in alt.usenet.kooks, §ñühw¤£f
wrote:

In message , Bob Officer
wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:11:06 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, §ñühw¤£f
wrote:

Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile
:

On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:49:33 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks,
§ñühw¤£f
wrote:

Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile
:

On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:36:12 -0700, in alt.usenet.kooks,
§ñühw¤£f
wrote:

In message , Bob
Officer
wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:31:50 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks,
§ñühw¤£f
wrote:

Bob Officer pinched out a steaming
pile
:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:31:29 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks,
§ñühw¤£f
wrote:

Bob Officer pinched out a steaming
pile
:

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:20:16 +0000 (UTC), in
alt.usenet.kooks,
Bertie
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§ñühw¤£f wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a
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:

"Scott M. Kozel" wrote in
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:

§ñühw¤£f wrote:

I propose a technological solution to the problem
of
bird
strikes:
turboprops.
Lets return to the good old days pre-jet engines.

Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra example
is a
turboprop,
the
above poster apparently didn't realize that a
turboprop
engine
has a
jet
engine.

Discuss.

The large piston engines were incredibly complex,
and
generally
could
drive airliners at only about half the speed of
those
with
the
pure
jet
engines.


yes, but they were so much more fun


Bertie

Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles.

Excellent. I'll sign on for a course.


Yeah, think on that for a while.

Its either that or the locomotive, chaps.

Only if it's a real one. i.e. Steam

No! Hell no!

And what pray tell is wrong with steam?

Steam locomotives? Everything.

Well man spit it out! Lets not play guessing games here!

Have you ever been on a working steam locomotive?

Not while its running.

I have.

Didja get to be the shovelman?

No the engine had a working feed system. I do believe when Dad
Fired
steam on the L&N they had "stokers" that hand fed the coal if the
feed broke or didn't work.

Originally an operating crew would be the engineer, firemen, and
if
they had cars, a conductor and brakemen for every x numbers of
cars
on the territory. Stokers were not really members of "the crew",
but
worked under the direction of the Locomotive Firemen. The
Engineer
operated the locomotive and was responsible for the trains safe
operation. The Conductor was in charge of cars and the contents,
there of and the assignment and positioning of his brake men. The
brakes on the train were set (by hand) at the direction of the
engineer. (all those whistle signals.)

Then the airbrakes came about, the need for multiple brakemen for
x
number of cars.

Yeah..."improvements" to the system cut manpower. now all you have
is
one or two people per train trying to stay awake.
So much for "progress".

You don't know the half of it...

The roundhouse up in essex was taken down and people lost jobs.
Every time theres some manpower saving device, people loose jobs.
Eventually we'll all sit at home or whatever and the robots will
do everything.

Yep and if things don't done exactly right...

Well the last big accident in the news was the guy on a cell phone in
Los Angeles or nearby and that was *human* error.
The robots cant do much worse.

Human Stupidity.

The man didn't have his priorities right.

Indeed. SO if you eliminate the human element...


They are very dirty (producing soot and ash. Very noisy.
(usually
about 90-105 dB. They get louder under full power)

Yeap. Coal fired mostly.

One coal and everything else was oil.

Leave us not forget *wood*...it was plentiful once across the
country.

Most all locomotive engineers from the steam era were deaf.
and
suffered breathing problems.

My granpa was one

So was mine, and so was my Dad.

Go Union!

However That wasn't how it worked. Grandad worked the Rock Island
St
Louis to Sikeston he retired at 65 with something like 50 years
of
service. Pop worked for the L&N @ Cleveland, Tn. Then he came
west
during WW2. He went to work for the SP and retired with 45+ years
of
combined service. There was 20 months of military service, and he
was
discharged because of heart murmur.


Still...back in the day...those *were* good jobs.
At least you had some security.
Downsizing wasn't the norm. Now, its "oh ****, the passenger load
has
dropped off by 5%, lets fire a bunch of people and cut service".

up until about 1990 there was a seasonal flow. As the business
would
ebb people in operating crafts would be cut off/layed off. Then
called back in senority order. Some would stick around and others
would find work eslewhere and wouldn't come back. Around here lots
of
kids put themselves through college working all summer for the RR
and
then getting cut off right up until the xmas rush. Then they would
be
cutoff until the summer. here is even an area where they kids would
work only the weekends getting cut off every monday morning and
called back every friday night.

Part timers get no bennies, sure.

If they worked one day a month... they had the health bennies. almost
everyone worked one day a month. the only time I didn't was, away on
Active Military Duty or when I was off injured on duty. I still got
bennies then.

Well...obviously I know absolutely nothing about this subject.
Not that it would stop me

I understand that.

That, however, would make a great T-Shirt.

Usenet Confession:
"Well...obviously I know absolutely nothing about this subject.
Not that it would stop me "

or Signature

Lets call it "Snuhwolf's Edict".

^_^


It would generally take a person 5-7 years before they could work
year round. 10-12 before they could work regular jobs on a temporay
basis. and 20 plus to hold any sort of regular job on a year round
basis.

Railroad reschedual work on a need be basis (within the scope of
the
union contracts) so their is a big degree of non-control. They are
subject tot he demands and needs of the shippers.

Floriduh just gave CSX a big huge contract.

good

bad for the everglades or something, iirc.
or it takes from the general fund and the poor need the money more.



Deaf as hell but no breathing problems...he didnt know who the
****
I
was
later since he was all alzheimersy & stuff.

My dad died from lung cancer (both Small Cell Carcinoma and
Metastasized melanoma.

Bummer...the smoke was it?

Asbestos and/or smoke.

Me-so-thee-lee-oh-ma.
nods

You got it.

Well I hope not

I hope so too. ugly way to go.

Libby Montana knows a thing or two about aSSbest0s...
**** WR Grace to hell.

Most all locomotive engineers from the diesel era still
suffer
hearing loss. Most all operating employees for railroads
with
more
than 10 years of service have some hearing loss. About ten
years
ago
the railroads started losing lawsuits over hearing losses
and
started
a hearing conservation program. Too bad it was 27 years too
late.

YEah...back in the day it was a macho job and you didnt **** &
moan
about the conditions.

The ****ed and moaned even then. I've listen to those guys all
my
life.

no...they laughed at management...but as for crying about the
conditions?

Yep the ****ed and moaned about that too.

Well yer fambly wasn't "stoic" then.

all to often the conditions were what you could make them. the
trouble is most of the people were content to work in substandard
conditions.

After the union busting in Bisbee Arizona in 1910 or
so...sure...beats getting
put on box cars, taken into the desert, and shot by thugs.

So much for freedom taken for granted, isn't it.

Union busting was a violent and oft forgotten part of american history.
Trying to organise could get you killed, back in the day.


No real railroader would complain "its too tough".

Being gone most of the time? Missing their families? If it wasn't
for
the "good money", they would have left.

My grandpa was lucky then. He worked one line and was home often
enough...GNRY.

Dad was gone from home about 60% of the nights. The road work had a
layover at the away from home point. It was almost like a second
home
for him.

Did he have a second wife?


Only after he divorced his 1st wife.

Ouch.

I ran across a stat for operating crew marriage expectancy. They
usually last less than 10 years. We have one guy that's working on
his 7th marriage most are on their third... I'm still working on my
1st. The rate was 1:35 marriages last until retirement. 50% of new
marriage failing the 1st two years.

Possible solution: mormonism. Have a wife at each endpoint.
Problem *solved*.

I don't know if Flight Crews have the same problems?

Thats what the stewardesses ar for.

The stats might change now that the railroads started hiring and
training new employees. Most of the new hires are ex-military and
don't stay more than a year or so and most are divorced already.

Hopefully they wont be ptsd and have flashbacks.


Most new hires are still pumped up and brain washed. They do not make
good employees.

Brain washed by what?

Today the railroad has cut
its pay for new hires to 30%. Wages have effectively dropped
since
1985 to about 65% of what they were compared to pre-1985. The
employees with seniority (like me) have made up for this by just
working trips. I now work 25 days a month compared to the 18-19
days
I worked before 1985. The cry was a demand for more productivity.
the
Grace commission of Ronnie agreed. The funny thing is while
productivity went up wages decreased. The number of working
employees
decreased and got the average age increased. this increased the
health care costs and over the next 4 contracts the carriers
cried
about the increases to health care cost. (the fact the employees
health care increases because of increase of work stress also was
ignored.)

I ****ing hated Reagan.
His passing made me smile

The only thing was he never felt the pain he caused. The idiot
would
cut firewood for fun. did he realize his actions created a group of
people that were cutting firewood just to feed their families.

He lived in a lovely 1950's family show that played in his head.
The world to him was just one big Leave It to Beaver episode.

or Father Knows Best. I think he felt himself more like Ozzie Nelson.
If you watch the way he spoke, it was much of the same phrase tempo.


Some of the nicest people are really assholes.

^_^

I've heard that. But then I don't thing thy are that nice to start
with. How can you tell what an actor real character is like.

Take away his script?

Biggest complaints from crews which still use those 1st and
2nd
generation locomotives, noise and exhaust fumes in the cab.

Ever seen a track weasel?

I seen just about everything. including the look on a kids face
just
after he finally looked up and saw the locomotive, just before
it
hit
him.

Ugh. Musta been a deaf kid.

Nope, listening to his ipod at full volume.

Holy shnikeies!!!

I just said "****!"

Sad.

It was.

When the conductor and brakemen went back to look, then found his
Ipod laying near the impact sight, still playing at full volume.
He was listening to some sort of Rap.

ZOMGZ! I *knew* it! "Rap kills".

That's a valid assumption.

It wasn't the train that killed him, it was the Rap!

Ipods are dangerous and should be banned.
nods

Well, I use an mp3 player to feed my music selections into the Car or
Boats music player. I have an 80 gb device. It also works as a spare
back-up. stores my Navigation Maps/RIS files.

Counseled use.

User beware doing *this* could result in *bad* things.


Ban in-car video screens in the front seat area.
OOPS! There goes the OnStar screen in moms caddy.


and those GPS units.

Only if they are voice operated or heads-up on the windsheild projection
type. Heads up displays like in fighter aircraft should have made it to
cars by now....really.

--
"I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people
by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and
sudden usurpations.... The means of defense against foreign danger historically
have become the instruments of tyranny at home."
-James Madison

On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:09:15 -0600, Viperdoc wrote:

I flew into somewhere in SD in a Mesaba Saab 340. The flight before had a
bird strike on the windshield (goose), that broke off the windshield wiper.
The wiper blade then hit the prop, which flung the broken blade through the
side of the fuselage, impaling itself in the thigh of one of the pax. He had
to go to the operating room for some sort of surgery, but I do not think it
broke his femur. Talk about bad luck.

****, what's good luck?
--
Bear Bottoms
Private Attorney General

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:21:13 -0600, §ñühw¤£f wrote:

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\/_/:/ / \:\ \ \:\/:/ / \:\ \
/:/ / \:\__\ \::/ / \:\__\

What is this ****?
--
Bear Bottoms
Private Attorney General

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Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile
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In message , Bertie the
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Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:00:35 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks,
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Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming
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In message , Bob
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wrote:

Bob Officer pinched out a steaming
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§ñühw¤£f
wrote:

Bob Officer pinched out a
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:20:16 +0000 (UTC), in
alt.usenet.kooks,
Bertie
the Bunyip wrote:

§ñühw¤£f wrote in
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Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a
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"Scott M. Kozel" wrote in
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§ñühw¤£f wrote:

I propose a technological solution to the problem
of
bird
strikes:
turboprops.
Lets return to the good old days pre-jet engines.

Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra example
is
a
turboprop,
the
above poster apparently didn't realize that a
turboprop engine
has a
jet
engine.

Discuss.

The large piston engines were incredibly complex,
and generally
could
drive airliners at only about half the speed of
those
with
the
pure
jet
engines.


yes, but they were so much more fun


Bertie

Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles.

Excellent. I'll sign on for a course.


Yeah, think on that for a while.

Its either that or the locomotive, chaps.

Only if it's a real one. i.e. Steam

No! Hell no!

And what pray tell is wrong with steam?

Steam locomotives? Everything.

Well man spit it out! Lets not play guessing games here!

Have you ever been on a working steam locomotive?

Not while its running.

They are very dirty (producing soot and ash. Very noisy.
(usually
about 90-105 dB. They get louder under full power)

Yeap. Coal fired mostly.

Most all locomotive engineers from the steam era were deaf.
and suffered breathing problems.

My granpa was one
Deaf as hell but no breathing problems...he didnt know who
the
****
I
was later since he was all alzheimersy & stuff.

Most all locomotive engineers from the diesel era still
suffer hearing loss. Most all operating employees for
railroads with
more
than 10 years of service have some hearing loss. About ten
years
ago
the railroads started losing lawsuits over hearing losses
and
started
a hearing conservation program. Too bad it was 27 years too
late.

YEah...back in the day it was a macho job and you didnt ****
&
moan
about the conditions.

Biggest complaints from crews which still use those 1st and
2nd generation locomotives, noise and exhaust fumes in the
cab.

Ever seen a track weasel?


Mm, no. I seem to remeber hearing the term, though. What is
it?


back in the olden days the trains toilet dumped straight onto
the tracks...the TP that persisted was called a "track
weasel".




OK never heard of that. ANd now it's lodged in my head forever.
When will I learn?

Would the same thing happen if the blue ice sublimated leaving
only
the residue floating in the air?

Didnt airlines used to just dump straight out the plane?
IIRC people & things were getting hit with GIANT ICEY TURD-CUBES.

shudder


Well, yes and no. There was a vent that sometimes woudl develop an
icicle, but it wasn't supposed to do that!

MOMMY MOMMY I FOUND A COMET!!!111!!!!

Do aliens use tampons???


What didyou think comets were? Surely the big string trailing behind
gave you a clue?


Its cosmic poop...

0_0

Or, a new Okie delicacy.


Bertie

"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in :


"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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"Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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"George" wrote in message
news:b3b5c219-1618-4c7d-9d4f-e1aaf646b26a@
35g2000pry.googlegroups.com
.. . On Jan 18, 3:37 pm, "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote:

I'm not Mx, and you can't seem to decide if you are George or
Ricky.

Are you having an identity crisis?

Take the "a" out of Maxwell & you get MX.

George (aka; Ricky)



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Wow dicky, you figured that out all on your own?

Take the G out of George or the R out of ricky, and you still
have
a
dumb ass.



An take the asshole out of MAxie and you got nothing.

Bertie

Not true, take the asshole out of anything, and you would be
holding
a
Baby Bertie.


Ah, more IKYABWAI lames..



C'mon maxie at least try to makeit a little bit interesting.



Bertie

Sorry, no one can make you interesting.




Sure they can Maxie.

For instance, the nice folks over at alt.usenet.kooksfind me dead
boring unless I feed them fresh k00ks like you.

Bertie

Oh yeah, lamer, that's real important. (wink wink)

Nope, just entertaining.

A supposed/wannabe/thinksheis airline pilot, that spends all his off
time thinking he is some kind of world class troll, and aspiring to
the like of alt.usenet.kooks.

Yep, your the real deal. Not.



Yeh, right wannabe boi.


Bertie

Government Shill #2 wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Government Shill #2 wrote:

Great Tarverisms #5

The pitot tube was added to the first American jets to prevent the
kind of failures that killed an entire squadron off Florida. Without
P1 and T0 a jet will stall in fog.

Thanks to both of you for playing.

John

rec.aviation.military
11 August 2002

Has he expired ?

No. That was the day that he came out with that nonsense.

--
Shill #2

Great Tarverisms #2

What is the best selling beer in Oz?

Budweiser.

Another illusion shattered.

John

alt.disasters.aviation
18 August 2002

I was wondering if Tarver himself has gone to the great aviation boneyard in
the sky.

How's Pilatus going these days btw ?

Graham