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  #21  
Old October 17th 20, 04:57 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Dan Marotta
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Being taught to land with "no flare" did you a disservice as it requires
landing at a higher speed and, as we all know, energy is directly
proportional to the square of the speed.Â* That means longer landing
rolls.Â* Not necessarily bad if you have lots of space but, when that
outlanding is at a short field and you don't land at the minimum speed,
you might hit something at the far end.

On 10/16/2020 5:37 AM, rec.aviation.soaring wrote:
On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 10:55:54 AM UTC-4, ken smith wrote:
Thanks for all the useful feedback. I have heard that the L33 has a weak tail boom and is prone to damage
and the Std Cirrus wants to spin. Would appreciate more info on these if you have experience with them.

Hi Ken,

I owned an L33 for several years when I was a new pilot and I now have many flights in a Standard Cirrus. I left the L33 tied out in South Florida protected by wing and canopy covers and the horizontal stabilizer removed. Like the Standard Cirrus the L33 was not as easy to assemble as some other ships. I did not find any bad handling characteristics in the L33 and did not baby it. I was taught to always land gliders level on the main wheel with no "flare." Having trained in Blanik L23's I found the L33 comfortable, durable and fun to fly. I like the Standard Cirrus that I occasionally fly as well and it is a significantly better performer but I do seem to recall that it drops a wing sharply in a stall. The only reason I would consider a 1-26 (have only one flight) is if I was planning to leave it assembled for local flights but an L33 is a better glider for that.

Stuart


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  #22  
Old October 17th 20, 05:33 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Eric Greenwell[_4_]
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Default Looking for 1-26E with trailer and some thoughts

The problem was likely the Blanik tailwheel, which can be damaged easily in a two-point or tail
first landing. How to train pilots for two-point or tail first landings when you only have a
Blanik? I never figured out how to do it in our club with our L13, so tried to compensate with
ground training while they were learning, and more advice when they got their own glider.

Dan Marotta wrote on 10/17/2020 8:57 AM:
Being taught to land with "no flare" did you a disservice as it requires landing at a higher
speed and, as we all know, energy is directly proportional to the square of the speed.* That
means longer landing rolls.* Not necessarily bad if you have lots of space but, when that
outlanding is at a short field and you don't land at the minimum speed, you might hit something
at the far end.

On 10/16/2020 5:37 AM, rec.aviation.soaring wrote:
On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 10:55:54 AM UTC-4, ken smith wrote:
Thanks for all the useful feedback. I have heard that the L33 has a weak tail boom and is
prone to damage
and the Std Cirrus wants to spin. Would appreciate more info on these if you have experience
with them.

Hi Ken,

I owned an L33 for several years when I was a new pilot and I now have many flights in a
Standard Cirrus. I left the L33 tied out in South Florida protected by wing and canopy covers
and the horizontal stabilizer removed. Like the Standard Cirrus the L33 was not as easy to
assemble as some other ships. I did not find any bad handling characteristics in the L33 and
did not baby it. I was taught to always land gliders level on the main wheel with no "flare."
Having trained in Blanik L23's I found the L33 comfortable, durable and fun to fly. I like
the Standard Cirrus that I occasionally fly as well and it is a significantly better
performer but I do seem to recall that it drops a wing sharply in a stall.* The only reason I
would consider a 1-26 (have only one flight) is if I was planning to leave it assembled for
local flights but an L33 is a better glider for that.

Stuart




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  #23  
Old October 17th 20, 07:07 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Dan Marotta
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It's just not acceptable to design a glider which can not be landed at
minimum speed or to train pilots incompletely or improperly. Don't make
excuses for less than the best when it comes to training.

On 10/17/2020 10:33 AM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
The problem was likely the Blanik tailwheel, which can be damaged
easily in a two-point or tail first landing. How to train pilots for
two-point or tail first landings when you only have a Blanik? I never
figured out how to do it in our club with our L13, so tried to
compensate with ground training while they were learning, and more
advice when they got their own glider.

Dan Marotta wrote on 10/17/2020 8:57 AM:
Being taught to land with "no flare" did you a disservice as it
requires landing at a higher speed and, as we all know, energy is
directly proportional to the square of the speed.Â* That means longer
landing rolls.Â* Not necessarily bad if you have lots of space but,
when that outlanding is at a short field and you don't land at the
minimum speed, you might hit something at the far end.

On 10/16/2020 5:37 AM, rec.aviation.soaring wrote:
On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 10:55:54 AM UTC-4, ken smith wrote:
Thanks for all the useful feedback. I have heard that the L33 has a
weak tail boom and is prone to damage
and the Std Cirrus wants to spin. Would appreciate more info on
these if you have experience with them.
Hi Ken,

I owned an L33 for several years when I was a new pilot and I now
have many flights in a Standard Cirrus. I left the L33 tied out in
South Florida protected by wing and canopy covers and the horizontal
stabilizer removed. Like the Standard Cirrus the L33 was not as easy
to assemble as some other ships. I did not find any bad handling
characteristics in the L33 and did not baby it. I was taught to
always land gliders level on the main wheel with no "flare." Having
trained in Blanik L23's I found the L33 comfortable, durable and fun
to fly. I like the Standard Cirrus that I occasionally fly as well
and it is a significantly better performer but I do seem to recall
that it drops a wing sharply in a stall.Â* The only reason I would
consider a 1-26 (have only one flight) is if I was planning to leave
it assembled for local flights but an L33 is a better glider for that.

Stuart





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  #24  
Old October 17th 20, 10:11 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
James Metcalfe
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Default Looking for 1-26E with trailer and some thoughts

At 16:33 17 October 2020, Eric Greenwell wrote:
The problem was likely the Blanik tailwheel, which can be damaged
easily in a two-point or tail-first landing. How to train pilots for
two-point or tail first landings when you only have a Blanik? I never
figured out how to do it in our club with our L13, so tried to compensate
with ground training while they were learning, and more advice when
they got their own glider.


Hmmm... I went solo (in 1977) in a Blanik, having been taught to
always do a "fully-held-off" landing, something which I have been keen
to impress upon my own pupils as a very active instructor since 1983.

I don't remember the club ever having any problems with Blanik tail gear,
although I did (several years later, as club secretary) arrange for the
a/c
to be written off by insurers for main gear damage (from rolling across
ruts hidden in long grass). (Not too difficult at the time, as I think
insurers were very anxious about fatigue life of the Blanik spars!)

  #25  
Old October 18th 20, 12:37 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
AS
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Default Looking for 1-26E with trailer and some thoughts

On Saturday, October 17, 2020 at 5:15:06 PM UTC-4, James Metcalfe wrote:
At 16:33 17 October 2020, Eric Greenwell wrote:
The problem was likely the Blanik tailwheel, which can be damaged
easily in a two-point or tail-first landing. How to train pilots for
two-point or tail first landings when you only have a Blanik? I never
figured out how to do it in our club with our L13, so tried to compensate
with ground training while they were learning, and more advice when
they got their own glider.


Hmmm... I went solo (in 1977) in a Blanik, having been taught to
always do a "fully-held-off" landing, something which I have been keen
to impress upon my own pupils as a very active instructor since 1983.

I don't remember the club ever having any problems with Blanik tail gear,
although I did (several years later, as club secretary) arrange for the
a/c
to be written off by insurers for main gear damage (from rolling across
ruts hidden in long grass). (Not too difficult at the time, as I think
insurers were very anxious about fatigue life of the Blanik spars!)


I don't remember the club ever having any problems with Blanik tail gear,

We broke the original tail skid assembly during a youth encampment in the Netherlands. The field was dotted with rabbit holes and the tail skid hit one too many of them. It was essentially a folded piece of steel sheet with a single bolt in the front and a rubber block in the rear. We saved the encampment by fashioning a new skid from a chromed car bumper sourced from a local junk yard. Worked well and kept us going.
The later version of the L13's tail skid had a spring loaded caster wheel, which drastically reduced the side-loading on the skid.

Uli
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  #26  
Old October 18th 20, 01:27 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Eric Greenwell[_4_]
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Default Looking for 1-26E with trailer and some thoughts

It was an explanation, not an excuse. Other than that minor issue, the Blanik L13 is a terrific
club glider, suitable for training (including spins) and cross-country. It can be safely tied
down outdoors, and the rear seat is adequately comfortable and has good visibility out it.


Dan Marotta wrote on 10/17/2020 11:07 AM:
It's just not acceptable to design a glider which can not be landed at minimum speed or to
train pilots incompletely or improperly. Don't make excuses for less than the best when it
comes to training.

On 10/17/2020 10:33 AM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
The problem was likely the Blanik tailwheel, which can be damaged easily in a two-point or
tail first landing. How to train pilots for two-point or tail first landings when you only
have a Blanik? I never figured out how to do it in our club with our L13, so tried to
compensate with ground training while they were learning, and more advice when they got their
own glider.

Dan Marotta wrote on 10/17/2020 8:57 AM:
Being taught to land with "no flare" did you a disservice as it requires landing at a higher
speed and, as we all know, energy is directly proportional to the square of the speed.* That
means longer landing rolls.* Not necessarily bad if you have lots of space but, when that
outlanding is at a short field and you don't land at the minimum speed, you might hit
something at the far end.

On 10/16/2020 5:37 AM, rec.aviation.soaring wrote:
On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 10:55:54 AM UTC-4, ken smith wrote:
Thanks for all the useful feedback. I have heard that the L33 has a weak tail boom and is
prone to damage
and the Std Cirrus wants to spin. Would appreciate more info on these if you have
experience with them.
Hi Ken,

I owned an L33 for several years when I was a new pilot and I now have many flights in a
Standard Cirrus. I left the L33 tied out in South Florida protected by wing and canopy
covers and the horizontal stabilizer removed. Like the Standard Cirrus the L33 was not as
easy to assemble as some other ships. I did not find any bad handling characteristics in
the L33 and did not baby it. I was taught to always land gliders level on the main wheel
with no "flare." Having trained in Blanik L23's I found the L33 comfortable, durable and
fun to fly. I like the Standard Cirrus that I occasionally fly as well and it is a
significantly better performer but I do seem to recall that it drops a wing sharply in a
stall.* The only reason I would consider a 1-26 (have only one flight) is if I was planning
to leave it assembled for local flights but an L33 is a better glider for that.

Stuart


  #27  
Old October 18th 20, 11:39 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Dan Marotta
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Default Looking for 1-26E with trailer and some thoughts

I've given a lot of rides from the back seat of an L-13...

On 10/17/2020 6:27 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
It was an explanation, not an excuse. Other than that minor issue, the
Blanik L13 is a terrific club glider, suitable for training (including
spins) and cross-country. It can be safely tied down outdoors, and the
rear seat is adequately comfortable and has good visibility out it.


Dan Marotta wrote on 10/17/2020 11:07 AM:
It's just not acceptable to design a glider which can not be landed
at minimum speed or to train pilots incompletely or improperly. Don't
make excuses for less than the best when it comes to training.

On 10/17/2020 10:33 AM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
The problem was likely the Blanik tailwheel, which can be damaged
easily in a two-point or tail first landing. How to train pilots for
two-point or tail first landings when you only have a Blanik? I
never figured out how to do it in our club with our L13, so tried to
compensate with ground training while they were learning, and more
advice when they got their own glider.

Dan Marotta wrote on 10/17/2020 8:57 AM:
Being taught to land with "no flare" did you a disservice as it
requires landing at a higher speed and, as we all know, energy is
directly proportional to the square of the speed.Â* That means
longer landing rolls.Â* Not necessarily bad if you have lots of
space but, when that outlanding is at a short field and you don't
land at the minimum speed, you might hit something at the far end.

On 10/16/2020 5:37 AM, rec.aviation.soaring wrote:
On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 10:55:54 AM UTC-4, ken smith wrote:
Thanks for all the useful feedback. I have heard that the L33 has
a weak tail boom and is prone to damage
and the Std Cirrus wants to spin. Would appreciate more info on
these if you have experience with them.
Hi Ken,

I owned an L33 for several years when I was a new pilot and I now
have many flights in a Standard Cirrus. I left the L33 tied out in
South Florida protected by wing and canopy covers and the
horizontal stabilizer removed. Like the Standard Cirrus the L33
was not as easy to assemble as some other ships. I did not find
any bad handling characteristics in the L33 and did not baby it. I
was taught to always land gliders level on the main wheel with no
"flare." Having trained in Blanik L23's I found the L33
comfortable, durable and fun to fly. I like the Standard Cirrus
that I occasionally fly as well and it is a significantly better
performer but I do seem to recall that it drops a wing sharply in
a stall.Â* The only reason I would consider a 1-26 (have only one
flight) is if I was planning to leave it assembled for local
flights but an L33 is a better glider for that.

Stuart



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