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Aston Down about 15 years ago. The incident was in the S&G accident
reports.

Stephen

"W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.)." wrote in message
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I did not witness the incident which I related, I am not sure if it is
just
an urban legend.

If you witnessed yours you are ahead of me. Are you willing to tell us
where and when?

There is not much to tape on a Slingsby Kestrel 19, I owned one once.

W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.).
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"Stephen Cook" ] wrote in message
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You may of course be talking about a different incident, but if this is
the event I witnessed it should read like this:

Did you hear the story about the pilot who rigged his Kestrel, towed it
to
the other side of the airfield where the launch point was that day, took
a
launch, flew around for a while, landed and on the ground run the wings
fell off - no mainpin.

Stephen


"W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.)." wrote in message
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Did you hear the story about the pilot who rigged his Kestrel, towed
it
to the other side of the airfield where the launch point was that day,
just as he got there the wings fell off - no mainpin.

Very lucky the wind was not in the other direction, or the wings would
still have been on when he reached the launch point.

W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.).
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Andreas Maurer wrote in message . ..


One might mention that NASA tried to recreate this 232'2 landing
using a simulator (as well as an F-15).
No aircrew *ever* was able to touch down their aircraft soft enough to
make the crash survivable.



Bye
Andreas


NASA followed up with a test using a modified MD-11. The FADEC
control laws were changed to allow much greater authority in engine
trim and the Flight Control Computer (FCC) software was modified to
control pitch and roll with FADEC thrust commands. (On an MD-11 a
single autothrottle servo drives all engines in parallel but the FCC
to FADEC interface provides independent thrust trim to each engine)

The program demonstrated that it was possible to control the aircraft
in pitch and roll with thrust only using normal inputs from the
autopilot mode control panel. Several approaches were made I think at
least one sucessful landing was demonstrated. (I was only involved
with the lab test and never saw the flight test reports).

Andy

On 5 Nov 2003 05:56:22 -0800, (Andy Durbin)
wrote:


NASA followed up with a test using a modified MD-11. The FADEC
control laws were changed to allow much greater authority in engine
trim and the Flight Control Computer (FCC) software was modified to
control pitch and roll with FADEC thrust commands. (On an MD-11 a
single autothrottle servo drives all engines in parallel but the FCC
to FADEC interface provides independent thrust trim to each engine)

The program demonstrated that it was possible to control the aircraft
in pitch and roll with thrust only using normal inputs from the
autopilot mode control panel. Several approaches were made I think at
least one sucessful landing was demonstrated. (I was only involved
with the lab test and never saw the flight test reports).

You are correct - these tests followed the 232 accident and proved
that custom FCC modes indeed allow a safe landing by engine control
only. Without FCC inut it was not possible to damp the phugoide (sp).

Bye
Andreas