Avgas price and the light plane ownership

Wayne LaPierre of the NRA, Ollie North, and Kenneth Starr all support
the ACLU. Does that mean they are socialists?

I fly, own an airplane, and I support the ACLU, although I think it
picks and chooses its cases with a touch of hypocrisy.

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So you wonder what's going to happen to general aviation because of the
high prices of avgas? Acquire yourself an aircraft which will fly on
auto fuel.

I have a lovely 172G with autogas STC and will sell it to you for a
reasonable price.

Why fly a 172 when you shortly will be able to rum the big iron? There's a
Lycoming TSIO-540 running in OK on avgas.

http://www.engineteststand.com/testdata.htm

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Wayne LaPierre of the NRA, Ollie North, and Kenneth Starr all support
the ACLU. Does that mean they are socialists?

First, do you have a cite for LaPierre and North? Starr, being a lawyer,
probably would support them.

And yes, to an extend, North and Starr have a lot of socialist in them
(can't speak for LaPierre).

In any case, your point is a non-sequitur.

I fly, own an airplane, and I support the ACLU, although I think it
picks and chooses its cases with a touch of hypocrisy.

A _LOT_ of hypocrisy. Their original premise was not a matter of "principle
of free speech". It was to avoid stifling the Communist Party USA's
propaganda. Their main, original funding came from the Soviet NKVD (as
demonstrated by the Soviet Archives). When they take on the universities and
their speech code they'll have demonstrated they are no longer puppets.

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"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
I suspect people said the same thing when av gas went past $.50 a gallon.
The price of gasoline is still well behind the inflation curve.

Quite!

http://txfx.net/2005/06/22/oil-prices-peak-well-no/

http://www.fintrend.com/ftf/images/c...n_20050404.gif

Huh? If the price of gas or oil were "well behind the inflation curve", then
the inflation-adjusted price would show an overall *decrease*. In fact,
though, the inflation-adjusted price (according to the graph you cite) is
now *three times* what it started as. It's true that the inflation-adjusted
increase has been non-monotonic, according to the graph (there was a brief
earlier spike above the present level); nontheless, the price has--both
recently and overall--raced far ahead of the inflation curve, not behind it
as you state.

--Gary

"The American people will never knowingly
adopt socialism, but under the name of
liberalism they will adopt every fragment of
the socialist program until one day America
will be a socialist nation without ever knowing
how it happened." -- Norman Thomas, six-time
Socialist Party presidential candidate and
one of the founders of the ACLU.

Doesn't it embarrass you to propagate such a suspicious-looking quote
without citing any source for it? (For one thing, people don't normally
*announce* a deception that they're hoping will succeed; for another,
liberalism may look socialist to right-wingers, but it doesn't look that way
to liberals or to socialists, so why would it look that way to Thomas?)

--Gary

Charles Oppermann wrote:

The cost of insuring an aircraft has skyrocketed at a rate greater than fuel
costs.

Really? That wasn't the case when I owned my Maule. The premium was something
like $1,700 the first year (1995-96), but it came down to around $1,300 the last
few years. IIRC, the quote I got last February was less than that.

I've heard that twins have gotten expensive, though, but maybe that's just for
new pilots?

George Patterson
Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
Because she smells like a new truck.

Personally I hate driving and don't mind paying a premium over mogas
to get there direct in 1/3 of the time. Driving (to me) is frustrating
where flying is not at all. There will always be people out there
that want to travel quickly and escape the masses on the highways.

Amen, brother.

And it's up to those of us who have seen the GA light to show them "The
Way"...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Matt Barrow wrote:
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So you wonder what's going to happen to general aviation because of the
high prices of avgas? Acquire yourself an aircraft which will fly on
auto fuel.

I have a lovely 172G with autogas STC and will sell it to you for a
reasonable price.

Why fly a 172 when you shortly will be able to rum the big iron? There's a
Lycoming TSIO-540 running in OK on avgas.

http://www.engineteststand.com/testdata.htm

http://www.taturbo.com/prismad.jpg

I'll believe that when I see it. Test stands are inadequate to
simulate flight conditions. In the meantime only low-power,
lower-compression engines are legal for mogas.

Cylinder pressures, heat, and many other considerations in a TSIO-540
don't make it a good candidate for high-volatility mogas. I don't know
of any injected or turbocharged aircraft engine which could safely run
on mogas.

We have big-engine aircraft like Pathfinders and Bonanzas on our field
with vapor-lock all the time, and that's with the blue gas.

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Matt Barrow wrote:
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So you wonder what's going to happen to general aviation because of
the
high prices of avgas? Acquire yourself an aircraft which will fly on
auto fuel.

I have a lovely 172G with autogas STC and will sell it to you for a
reasonable price.

Why fly a 172 when you shortly will be able to rum the big iron? There's
a
Lycoming TSIO-540 running in OK on avgas.

http://www.engineteststand.com/testdata.htm

http://www.taturbo.com/prismad.jpg

I'll believe that when I see it. Test stands are inadequate to
simulate flight conditions. In the meantime only low-power,
lower-compression engines are legal for mogas.

Cylinder pressures, heat, and many other considerations in a TSIO-540
don't make it a good candidate for high-volatility mogas. I don't know
of any injected or turbocharged aircraft engine which could safely run
on mogas.

That's correct with CURRENT ignition systems.

We have big-engine aircraft like Pathfinders and Bonanzas on our field
with vapor-lock all the time, and that's with the blue gas.

Well, vapor lock has nothing to do with the type of fuel you're running.

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Why fly a 172 when you shortly will be able to rum the big iron?
There's
a
Lycoming TSIO-540 running in OK on avgas.

http://www.engineteststand.com/testdata.htm

http://www.taturbo.com/prismad.jpg

I'll believe that when I see it. Test stands are inadequate to
simulate flight conditions.

Such as?