A Good Story

Barnyard BOb wrote ...

Don't blame DoD.
Credit George Bush and Company.
While they praise our military publicly.....
they also continue to gut BILLIONS from VA
hospitals/medical programs across the land.
...

More crap from the horse's ass. But then it's generally pretty full
of it.

The true facts are that the VA budget has gone up by $15 billion since
Bush took office, a 30% increase. On top of that, Bush's budget for
FY2004 includes the largest discretionary increase for the VA _ever_
requested by _any_ president. He's asked Congress for $64 billion for
the VA effective this October. That's _another_ 33% over the last
budget ($48 billion). The VA budget has _never_ increased as fast in
its entire history. What's more, the VA is starting to make a lot
more efficient use of that money, using it for vets instead of its own
bloat - the new CARE proposal will modernize a lot of antiquated
facilities, consolidate duplicates and build some new ones in areas
where vet populations have increased. Five years ago, 3 million vets
were eligible for assistance. Today the number is 25 million, simply
because benefits have been extended to vets with mid-level incomes and
no service injuries. The VA has greatly increased access to care as
well, by following in the footsteps of the rest of the health care
industry. It's a lot less hospital based now and offers more
community clinics, private contracts, outpatient services, home care,
preventive care and wellness counseling than ever before.

1.30 x 1.33 = 1.73, a 73% increase and you claim they "gut BILLIONS".
As usual, you don't have a clue what you're talking about, you just
like to bitch & run your mouth. Well this time you're telling a good
bunch of guys that they're getting screwed, and that's not only a lie,
it's a mean-hearted lie that serves no purpose other than to **** on
vets. Well I happen to like vets, so **** off jerk.

Daniel

Bruce

If pictures are good, maybe Maxwell, P & W or Wright might identify
them and you could find the type of aircraft they were on??? With that
you can search for the units with that type of Aircraft and look for
losses at Rabaul and back into the info you want?

Also people at AF Meusm at Wright Patt might be able it identify the
type of engine and aircraft they were used on if other sources fall
through??

Still think Jap records may be a good source.They kept lots of records
during the war which were sent to HQ in Japan and many survived to
today.

Big John


On 1 Sep 2003 15:51:20 -0700, (butch burton)
wrote:

Did get pics but the only thing left of the US aircraft was the
engines-large P&W radials. Salt is very corrosive and most all of the
aircraft was gone. The engines were impacted into the port side of
the destroyer. It was a very small destroyer-more like a large armed
escort vessel and the skipper of the vessel ran it into very shallow
water in an attempt to save it. Will dig out the pics and contact the
AF HRA at Maxwell. Really like to know the name of the pilot-a battle
probably long forgotten-kind of gives you an idea of the stuff these
people were made of. Will let you know what I find.

Big John wrote in message . ..
Butch

1. Did you get any pictures? They might be trading material with the
Air Force or DOD or could go in Museum at Wright Patterson?

2. Contact:

Air Force Historical Research Agency (Located on Maxwell AFB, AL)
Phone (334) 953-2395
or


If they can't help you they should be able to point you to further
sources.

Were there any traces of airframe left to identify the aircraft type?
The A-20 (twin engine) was also used in Pacific. Don't think the A-26
made it????


Not just sure how you can get the Jap info of when the ship was sunk
but that would give a mission date and narraow the search in our
records.

Jap records also migaht account for the aircraft type that impacted
the destroyer?

When you talk to Maxwell, ask them about Jap records. They may have
gotten them after the War or may still be in Japan and they would know
where they are and how to get access?

Rabaul ended up as a 'milk run' after we bypassed it. It was used to
give new aircrews training after they arrived in theater as I recall.

Good luck. If you strike gold let us all know.

Big John
P-40, P51, etc, etc.


On 30 Aug 2003 18:44:09 -0700, (butch burton)
wrote:

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While diving in the Rabaul Harbor, discovered a Jap destroyer sunk
with 2 large US made radial aircraft engines. Looks like some US
pilot flew a Mitchell bomber into this destroyer. Always been on my to
do list to try and find out something about the pilot/crew of this
aircraft. Anybody got any suggestions. A few years ago the volcano
at the edge of the harbor erupted completely filling the whole area
with ash so the wreckage is probably beneath yards of volcanic ash.


----dlip----

On 1 Sep 2003 19:07:02 -0700, (Daniel)
wrote:

Barnyard BOb wrote ...

Don't blame DoD.
Credit George Bush and Company.
While they praise our military publicly.....
they also continue to gut BILLIONS from VA
hospitals/medical programs across the land.
...

More crap from the horse's ass. But then it's generally pretty full
of it.

Well I happen to like vets, so **** off jerk.

Daniel
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I happen to be a vet.
Are you, jackass?

Last time I visited the VA they billed my private insurance
$360 for what amounted to a private practice $65 office visit.

I was there to implement my benefit for two prescription drugs.
One is valued at $8 a month and would cost me $7.50 through
the VA. The other is worth about $150 a month if I buy it at
Wal-Mart . The VA would not fund it at all, much less at the
prescribed $7.50.

BTW....
If you care to disagree with me, that is one thing.
However, your outright hostility is not appreciated and
can lead you down a road that you will find no joy in.

If you were not such a worthless pimple on my ass,
I would document my position. However, you will
no longer be responded to. Bye-bye, hateful ****.

Plonk.


Barnyard BOb --

Butch

Go to: http://yarchive/mil/rebaul_raids.html

B-25 outfits who made many strikes on Rabaul are listed with some text
of attacks. Their history (unit combat losses) might show what you
want?

Big John


On 1 Sep 2003 15:51:20 -0700, (butch burton)
wrote:

Did get pics but the only thing left of the US aircraft was the
engines-large P&W radials. Salt is very corrosive and most all of the
aircraft was gone. The engines were impacted into the port side of
the destroyer. It was a very small destroyer-more like a large armed
escort vessel and the skipper of the vessel ran it into very shallow
water in an attempt to save it. Will dig out the pics and contact the
AF HRA at Maxwell. Really like to know the name of the pilot-a battle
probably long forgotten-kind of gives you an idea of the stuff these
people were made of. Will let you know what I find.

Big John wrote in message . ..
Butch

1. Did you get any pictures? They might be trading material with the
Air Force or DOD or could go in Museum at Wright Patterson?

2. Contact:

Air Force Historical Research Agency (Located on Maxwell AFB, AL)
Phone (334) 953-2395
or


If they can't help you they should be able to point you to further
sources.

Were there any traces of airframe left to identify the aircraft type?
The A-20 (twin engine) was also used in Pacific. Don't think the A-26
made it????


Not just sure how you can get the Jap info of when the ship was sunk
but that would give a mission date and narraow the search in our
records.

Jap records also migaht account for the aircraft type that impacted
the destroyer?

When you talk to Maxwell, ask them about Jap records. They may have
gotten them after the War or may still be in Japan and they would know
where they are and how to get access?

Rabaul ended up as a 'milk run' after we bypassed it. It was used to
give new aircrews training after they arrived in theater as I recall.

Good luck. If you strike gold let us all know.

Big John
P-40, P51, etc, etc.


On 30 Aug 2003 18:44:09 -0700, (butch burton)
wrote:

-----clip----

While diving in the Rabaul Harbor, discovered a Jap destroyer sunk
with 2 large US made radial aircraft engines. Looks like some US
pilot flew a Mitchell bomber into this destroyer. Always been on my to
do list to try and find out something about the pilot/crew of this
aircraft. Anybody got any suggestions. A few years ago the volcano
at the edge of the harbor erupted completely filling the whole area
with ash so the wreckage is probably beneath yards of volcanic ash.


----dlip----

"Big John" wrote in message
...
Butch

Go to: http://yarchive/mil/rebaul_raids.html

B-25 outfits who made many strikes on Rabaul are listed with some text
of attacks. Their history (unit combat losses) might show what you
want?

Big John


On 1 Sep 2003 15:51:20 -0700, (butch burton)
wrote:


Didn't PBY's also work in that area? Black cats liked to fly down on the
deck.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans

Don't ever remember any PBY's making attacks on airfields and
anchorages? They were to slow and didn't have enough
hard points to carry a lot of bomb type devices. Easy picking for
fighters.

Most of their 'low' altitude flying was taking off and landing when
rescuing downed fliers.

Believe in the Atlantic, they on occasion attacked u-boats when they
were on anti sub patrol. Those birds were modified to carry some type
of bombs (depth charges). They might also have had a gun mount in each
side blister but that position was not a good location of guns to
attack anything.

On Internet, the only twin engine birds I saw that attacked Rabaul
were B-25's.

A long long shot was it could have been a Betty that the Japanese were
trying to recover or move to a location to get repaired. If tied down
on the deck might have been destroyed when ship was sunk????

There are still records of WWII but it takes a long time to go through
them to find any specific items.

Big John


On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 17:18:18 -0400, "Morgans"
wrote:


"Big John" wrote in message
.. .
Butch

Go to: http://yarchive/mil/rebaul_raids.html

B-25 outfits who made many strikes on Rabaul are listed with some text
of attacks. Their history (unit combat losses) might show what you
want?

Big John


On 1 Sep 2003 15:51:20 -0700, (butch burton)
wrote:


Didn't PBY's also work in that area? Black cats liked to fly down on the
deck.