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Old August 18th 06, 12:12 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 20:59:47 +0200, "Anno v. Heimburg"
wrote:

Bret Ludwig wrote:

Automobile engines
function well in their intended application: delivering low cruising
power in vehicles with well designed transmissions and power trains.
Using them successfully in an airplane requires continuous high power
outputs and reduction systems coupled to the propeller. This is
completely foreign to their design intent.


Join me for a drive in the off-peak hours on the Autobahn and then tell me
again that auto engines can't stand continuous high power output.

In German, there's even a word for that: "vollgasfest",
roughly "full-throttle safe", indicating that an engine is fit for
continuous operation at full throttle. Engines that aren't full-throttle
safe don't sell in Germany and are cause of ridicule, as FIAT had to learn
the hard way.

Anno.


Anno for the benefit of guys like me who havent been to Germany or for
that matter the Northern Territory(no speed limit at all)
which are the vollgasfest engines?

serious question.
Stealth Pilot

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Old August 18th 06, 05:53 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.homebuilt
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Dave Stadt wrote:



Don't forget the Lycoming powered mighty Checker Marathon. Lot of tractors
running around with Continentals also.


At one time I owned a early Checker Marathon which had been powered
with a Continental flathead six and had a Buick V6 when I bought it.
But I am pretty sure Lyc did not build any industrial/vehicle engines
after WWII. Oliver/Cockshutt, I think, used Continentals along with
dozens of cars, light trucks, (Jeep used a Continental flathead at one
time), Hobart welders, gen sets, Zambonis-they were very popular and
all the ag and forklift vendors still support (most of) them. But to
my knowledge Lycoming cars were limited to the Auburn/Cord/Duesenberg
family.

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Old August 18th 06, 06:34 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Anno v. Heimburg
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Stealth Pilot wrote:
Anno for the benefit of guys like me who havent been to Germany or for
that matter the Northern Territory(no speed limit at all)
which are the vollgasfest engines?


The problems were back in the 70s and earlier. Since the 80s, most cars
sold* in Germany are vollgasfest. The Audi/VW, BMW and Mercedes probably
get the worst abuse because they are frequently used as company cars (and
lots of companys give company cars to their employees for tax reasons) and
rentals. Diesels are supposed to be particularly tough. I'ld be a bit
careful with the highly charged gasoline ones such as the big Volvo 5-cyl,
but that may be me being irrational.

Anno.

*) Note: Sold, not produced. Includes non-German carmakes. Trying to
categorize cars by country of origin gets increasingly difficult and
pointless anyway, as evidenced by the Cadillac BLS, which is an
American-branded car based on the German Opel Vectra platform and being
produced in the Saab plant in Trollhättan, Sweden. And we haven't even
glanced at the suppliers.
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Old August 18th 06, 06:37 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Anno v. Heimburg wrote:


The problems were back in the 70s and earlier.


Just realised that I could have made that clearer in my original post,
sorry.
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Old August 18th 06, 06:50 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.homebuilt
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Bret Ludwig wrote:
At one time I owned a early Checker Marathon which had been powered
with a Continental flathead six and had a Buick V6 when I bought it.
But I am pretty sure Lyc did not build any industrial/vehicle engines
after WWII. Oliver/Cockshutt, I think, used Continentals along with
dozens of cars, light trucks, (Jeep used a Continental flathead at one
time), Hobart welders, gen sets, Zambonis-they were very popular and
all the ag and forklift vendors still support (most of) them. But to
my knowledge Lycoming cars were limited to the Auburn/Cord/Duesenberg
family.


***Warning: thread creep***

Didn't the Tucker have a Lyc or Cont engine? ISTR reading years back
that it was powered by a helicopter engine. I assume that means an
air-cooled flat six?

  #36  
Old August 18th 06, 07:04 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.homebuilt
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"Kingfish" wrote in
egroups.com...

Didn't the Tucker have a Lyc or Cont engine? ISTR reading years back
that it was powered by a helicopter engine. I assume that means an
air-cooled flat six?


The Tucker engine is a modified air-cooled Franklin helicopter engine: H-6,
335 cid, 166 bhp.

JP


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Old August 18th 06, 07:38 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.homebuilt
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Kingfish wrote:

***Warning: thread creep***

Didn't the Tucker have a Lyc or Cont engine? ISTR reading years back
that it was powered by a helicopter engine. I assume that means an
air-cooled flat six?


When Tucker was having trouble with their own engine design, they bought
out Franklin and converted one of the Franklin engines to water cooled.
When Franklin went belly-up, the Franklin engine division was sold off.

Tony
  #38  
Old August 19th 06, 12:49 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.homebuilt
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"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
ups.com...

Dave Stadt wrote:



Don't forget the Lycoming powered mighty Checker Marathon. Lot of
tractors
running around with Continentals also.


At one time I owned a early Checker Marathon which had been powered
with a Continental flathead six and had a Buick V6 when I bought it.
But I am pretty sure Lyc did not build any industrial/vehicle engines
after WWII. Oliver/Cockshutt, I think, used Continentals along with
dozens of cars, light trucks, (Jeep used a Continental flathead at one
time), Hobart welders, gen sets, Zambonis-they were very popular and
all the ag and forklift vendors still support (most of) them. But to
my knowledge Lycoming cars were limited to the Auburn/Cord/Duesenberg
family.


You are correct they were Continentals in the Checker.


 




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