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Briefing Dilemma
There are days (like today) where the idea is just to fly the airplane. No specific destination, but if something looks interesting on the ground, or if I need a Diet Coke or feel the need to unload one, I may land at any of a dozen nearby airfields... How do you explain this to a FSS briefer? Here's the discussion I had with the FSS this morning (more or less): Me to the Briefer: Good Morning, I'll be flying N46KB an Experimental RV-6 today, VFR. Departing at 9:00 local, returning by 3:00 PM, Flying over North Georgia and East Alabama. Requesting Standard Briefing... Briefer: What is your destination and cruise altitude? Me: I don't really have either one. I'm just going flying. Briefer: I need an altitude so I can provide winds aloft. Me: I don't really need winds aloft. Briefer getting frustrated: But it only takes a second. How about 3 & 6k ft? Me: I don't really need the information, but go ahead. Briefer..... Blah, blah, blah at 3 and 6.. Briefer: Also, I need your destination... And this continued for the next five minutes.... Is there a way to escape this? What I really needed was "VFR projected over that area all day long, No TFR's or Notams, surface winds out of the NE 10 knots. Have a nice day." KB |
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Kyle Boatright wrote: Is there a way to escape this? Well, you could move. I don't have that problem with the NJ briefers. In addition, there's a recording I can listen to for conditions in the area. Most times I don't need to talk to a briefer at all. George Patterson He who would distinguish what is true from what is false must have an adequate understanding of truth and falsehood. |
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"Kyle Boatright" wrote: Is there a way to escape this? What I really needed was "VFR projected over that area all day long, No TFR's or Notams, surface winds out of the NE 10 knots. Have a nice day." I've said something like "I'm just going to drill a big long hole in the sky, but with possible landings at insert list of airports" Of course, my airplane doesn't have a lot of speed so I wouldn't cover a lot of area anyway. -- Bob Noel looking for a sig the lawyers will like |
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Is there a way to escape this? What I really needed was "VFR projected over
that area all day long, No TFR's or Notams, surface winds out of the NE 10 knots. Have a nice day." You could ask for an abbreviated briefing, and then ask for any other details of interest (any TFRs? Are you sure? What about temporary flight restrictions? As for altitude, I would just state the altitudes I'm interested in boring holes through (3 and 6, or 3, 6, and 9). The winds aloft are sometimes nice to know and may help pick a direction. Jose -- Nothing is more powerful than a commercial interest. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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I just ask for an area briefing for x mile radius from my home airport. 3k &
6k winds aloft are fine. Gimmie any TFRs, closed airports, closed runways, etc. Of course, I can get that from DUATS, but I like a briefer telling me about TFRs. Central IL. "Kyle Boatright" wrote in message ... There are days (like today) where the idea is just to fly the airplane. No specific destination, but if something looks interesting on the ground, or if I need a Diet Coke or feel the need to unload one, I may land at any of a dozen nearby airfields... How do you explain this to a FSS briefer? Here's the discussion I had with the FSS this morning (more or less): Me to the Briefer: Good Morning, I'll be flying N46KB an Experimental RV-6 today, VFR. Departing at 9:00 local, returning by 3:00 PM, Flying over North Georgia and East Alabama. Requesting Standard Briefing... Briefer: What is your destination and cruise altitude? Me: I don't really have either one. I'm just going flying. Briefer: I need an altitude so I can provide winds aloft. Me: I don't really need winds aloft. Briefer getting frustrated: But it only takes a second. How about 3 & 6k ft? Me: I don't really need the information, but go ahead. Briefer..... Blah, blah, blah at 3 and 6.. Briefer: Also, I need your destination... And this continued for the next five minutes.... Is there a way to escape this? What I really needed was "VFR projected over that area all day long, No TFR's or Notams, surface winds out of the NE 10 knots. Have a nice day." KB |
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when i was in training, i would report "manouvers up to 30 miles west
of my ap at 3000ft, 2 hours etc"...went fine. i suppose i could have said "within (gas range) and returning to same ap. by the way, can you get flight forwarding just to go vfr sighseing generally westish? at various altitudes in uncontroled space?? dan |
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"George Patterson" wrote in message ... Kyle Boatright wrote: snip there's a recording I can listen to for conditions in the area. Most times I don't need to talk to a briefer at all. George Patterson He who would distinguish what is true from what is false must have an adequate understanding of truth and falsehood. Well, that is probably what we will all get with the 'privatized' FSS of the near future... |
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Duats. I fly in the same space. It freaks them out when you call and say I
just want the TFRs... It was too beautiful today! Deb -- 1946 Luscombe 8A (His) 1948 Luscombe 8E (Hers) 1954 Cessna 195B, restoring (Ours) Jasper, Ga. (JZP) "Kyle Boatright" wrote in message ... There are days (like today) where the idea is just to fly the airplane. No specific destination, but if something looks interesting on the ground, or if I need a Diet Coke or feel the need to unload one, I may land at any of a dozen nearby airfields... How do you explain this to a FSS briefer? Here's the discussion I had with the FSS this morning (more or less): Me to the Briefer: Good Morning, I'll be flying N46KB an Experimental RV-6 today, VFR. Departing at 9:00 local, returning by 3:00 PM, Flying over North Georgia and East Alabama. Requesting Standard Briefing... Briefer: What is your destination and cruise altitude? Me: I don't really have either one. I'm just going flying. Briefer: I need an altitude so I can provide winds aloft. Me: I don't really need winds aloft. Briefer getting frustrated: But it only takes a second. How about 3 & 6k ft? Me: I don't really need the information, but go ahead. Briefer..... Blah, blah, blah at 3 and 6.. Briefer: Also, I need your destination... And this continued for the next five minutes.... Is there a way to escape this? What I really needed was "VFR projected over that area all day long, No TFR's or Notams, surface winds out of the NE 10 knots. Have a nice day." KB |
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"Steven Barnes" wrote in message m... I just ask for an area briefing for x mile radius from my home airport. 3k & 6k winds aloft are fine. Gimmie any TFRs, closed airports, closed runways, etc. Of course, I can get that from DUATS, but I like a briefer telling me about TFRs. Central IL. All we get after listening to the briefer for 5 minutes is "VFR not recommended" even though visibility and ceiling are nearly unlimited. |
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"Kyle Boatright" wrote in message
... [...] Is there a way to escape this? What I really needed was "VFR projected over that area all day long, No TFR's or Notams, surface winds out of the NE 10 knots. Have a nice day." As Steven wrote, ask for an "area briefing". They'll want your point of departure and radius for the briefing. IMHO, you are wrong to say that you "don't really need winds aloft". Just because you are aren't going on a cross-country, that doesn't mean that information isn't useful. Even in the absence of airmets about wind shear or turbulence, winds aloft will inform you about possibilities of both, and they also provide information about movement of air masses, allowing you to do a reality check on the forecast. You also get temperature information with the winds aloft. If you want someone to just tell you "VFR all day long, winds out of the NE", tune in to the Weather Channel. There's a reason that aviation briefings contain more detail than that. Ignore that detail at your own peril. Ninety nine flights out of a hundred, it probably won't matter. But that hundredth flight will be a real doozy. Pete |
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