Goose at FL 360????

There was an article in outdoor magazine last summer about how high birds
fly and it mentioned their O2 ability to "recirculation" to get max 02 and
that migrating birds do change altitude based on headwind/tailwind

I once dodged, not that I moved much other than flinching, a soaring raptor
at FL210 in SW Wyoming. I was in a B-52 and the co-pilot and I both saw it.

In response to another posting in "how do they know what it was?", yes, they
do take DNA samples from evidence left behind, along with tell tale feathers
etc. Had to do that one night after missing a snow owl on a ILS approach. He
left a grease trail and some feathers down the side of the B-1.

BT

"A Lieberman" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 07:09:56 -0500, Peter R. wrote:

The whole time of useful consciousness apparently is not an issue with a
goose? I wonder what gives a goose's lungs the ability to extract o2 at
that altitude?

In addition to what Peter wrote above, I wonder what gives the goose the
ability to even survive the extreme cold temperatures. O2 was my first
thought and temp came secondary.

Or the ability to maintain lift at that altitude since the air would be
quite thin?

I know goose down clothing are warm, but are Geese that tough?

Allen

A Lieberman wrote:

On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 07:09:56 -0500, Peter R. wrote:


The whole time of useful consciousness apparently is not an issue with a
goose? I wonder what gives a goose's lungs the ability to extract o2 at
that altitude?


In addition to what Peter wrote above, I wonder what gives the goose the
ability to even survive the extreme cold temperatures. O2 was my first
thought and temp came secondary.

Or the ability to maintain lift at that altitude since the air would be
quite thin?

I know goose down clothing are warm, but are Geese that tough?

Have you ever gotten near a goose, especially one with goslings? They
are tough as nails and mean to match. I've seen geese take on a German
Shepherd.


Matt

In a previous article, "BTIZ" said:
etc. Had to do that one night after missing a snow owl on a ILS approach. He
left a grease trail and some feathers down the side of the B-1.

I wouldn't call that "missing", myself.


--
Paul Tomblin http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"SPARC" is "CRAPS" backwards --Rob Pike

Geese have been sighted flying over Mt Everest (29,035')

Mike
MU-2


"A Lieberman" wrote in message
.. .
Is the following for real or is there a typo?

Geese in Class A airspace???

Allen
------------

IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: UPS28 Make/Model: B757 Description: B-757
Date: 11/03/2005 Time: 2325

Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Unknown

LOCATION
City: COLORADO SPRINGS State: CO Country: US

DESCRIPTION
ACFT, UPS28, A B757, ENROUTE FROM SDF TO MHR, STRUCK A GOOSE AT FL360.
ACFT DESCENDED TO FL280, DUE TO THE WINDSHIELD BEING CRACKED AND
CONTINUED
ON TO DESTINATION. PILOT DID NOT DECLARE AN EMERGENCY. OVER COLORADO
SPRINGS, CO

INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
# Crew: 4 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
# Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:

WEATHER: NOT REPORTED

OTHER DATA
Activity: Business Phase: Cruise Operation: Air Carrier

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
...
In a previous article, "BTIZ" said:
yes... they can get that high..
taking advantage of the jet stream would be my guess

Note the location was Colorado Springs. Maybe it got pushed that high by
a mountain wave and wasn't any happier about it than the 757 was.

Probably a lot less happier about the outcome...

The goose was a terrorist!

Maybe Homeland Security should figure out how to equip the geese with
transponders to reduce bird strikes and the possibility of spreading bird
flu.

;-)

In article .com,
"John" wrote:

not to mention flying (for birds) is high metabolism work . . .. how
do they make it work that high

I believe I read long ago that there are migratory birds of some variety
that make a (nonstop?) migratory flight from the Indian Ocean across the
Himalayas, including flying higher than Everest. Apparently bird
metabolism allows some substantial sustained flight at altitudes above
where humans can even maintain life long term . . .?

Those old Grumman's can really fly, can't they?
I wonder if it was converted from round engines to turbines?
You would think ATC would have warned each of the aircraft about
conflicting traffic based on the transponder returns.
Usually, there are two NTSB postings, one for each aircraft, when a
mid-air collision between two aircraft occur. No N-number on the Grumman
Goose?
:-))


Is the following for real or is there a typo?
Geese in Class A airspace???
Allen
------------

IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: UPS28 Make/Model: B757 Description: B-757
Date: 11/03/2005 Time: 2325

Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Unknown

LOCATION
City: COLORADO SPRINGS State: CO Country: US

DESCRIPTION
ACFT, UPS28, A B757, ENROUTE FROM SDF TO MHR, STRUCK A GOOSE AT FL360.
ACFT DESCENDED TO FL280, DUE TO THE WINDSHIELD BEING CRACKED AND
CONTINUED
ON TO DESTINATION. PILOT DID NOT DECLARE AN EMERGENCY. OVER COLORADO
SPRINGS, CO

INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
# Crew: 4 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
# Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0
Unk:

WEATHER: NOT REPORTED

OTHER DATA
Activity: Business Phase: Cruise Operation: Air Carrier

In article ,
A Lieberman wrote:

Is the following for real or is there a typo?

Geese in Class A airspace???

Not that surprising. An Alaska Airline 727 took a salmon strike a few
years back.

--
Dale L. Falk

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing around with airplanes.

http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html

"BTIZ" wrote in message
newsa4bf.2746$zu6.38@fed1read04...
There was an article in outdoor magazine last summer about how high birds
fly and it mentioned their O2 ability to "recirculation" to get max 02 and
that migrating birds do change altitude based on headwind/tailwind

I once dodged, not that I moved much other than flinching, a soaring
raptor at FL210 in SW Wyoming. I was in a B-52 and the co-pilot and I both
saw it.

In response to another posting in "how do they know what it was?", yes,
they do take DNA samples from evidence left behind, along with tell tale
feathers etc. Had to do that one night after missing a snow owl on a ILS
approach. He left a grease trail and some feathers down the side of the
B-1.

BT


They don't actually pay you to fly those incredible planes so they?

-----------------------
DW

On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 16:31:03 GMT, "Mike Rapoport"
wrote:

Geese have been sighted flying over Mt Everest (29,035')

Mike
MU-2


From Audubon's website:

http://magazine.audubon.org/birds/birds0011.html


Michael