Lost One Yesterday

We lost a friend yesterday in a Baron C55. He lost the left engine on
takeoff, apparently stalled, went inverted and lawn darted into the
ground, through a small grove of trees.

According to reliable sources, the gear was down an locked, flaps in
takeoff position and fuel selectors on "Aux".

Fortunately, he was the only one aboard.

Condolences to the family.

Take-offs are prohibited using the aux-tanks in the C55 and
all other Baron models.
The old style handbook for those Barons did not specify that
take-off be at Vmc+5 .

Gear retraction is part of the after take-off procedure.

Poorly trained pilots destroy many good airplanes./



"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in
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news | We lost a friend yesterday in a Baron C55. He lost the
left engine on
| takeoff, apparently stalled, went inverted and lawn darted
into the
| ground, through a small grove of trees.
|
| According to reliable sources, the gear was down an
locked, flaps in
| takeoff position and fuel selectors on "Aux".
|
| Fortunately, he was the only one aboard.
|
| Condolences to the family.

On Mar 6, 2:42 pm, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
We lost a friend yesterday in a Baron C55. He lost the left engine on
takeoff, apparently stalled, went inverted and lawn darted into the

Let it serve as a reminder to all pilots, especially the twin jockeys,
to practice those engine outs.

On Mar 6, 6:15 am, "James Sleeman" wrote:
On Mar 6, 2:42 pm, Orval Fairbairn wrote:

We lost a friend yesterday in a Baron C55. He lost the left engine on
takeoff, apparently stalled, went inverted and lawn darted into the

Let it serve as a reminder to all pilots, especially the twin jockeys,
to practice those engine outs.

The Baron is known to be a handful if an engine poops near Vmc... You
have to be immediate in chopping both throttles in that situation...
In a more perfect world Barons would be flown only by pro pilots (who
are assumed to be current on engine cuts)

denny - who is too old and too slow to be flying a Baron...

Actually, I should be a heavy iron pilot, who when faced with an
engine out, will set his coffee cup down (carefully), nudge the
copilot awake, point at the engine instruments, and say, "Did you see
that?"....

James Sleeman opined

On Mar 6, 2:42 pm, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
We lost a friend yesterday in a Baron C55. He lost the left engine on
takeoff, apparently stalled, went inverted and lawn darted into the

Let it serve as a reminder to all pilots, especially the twin jockeys,
to practice those engine outs.

During take off, it is best to think of a light twin as a very expensive, and
unreliable single. If an engine stops, land straight ahead.


-ash
Cthulhu in 2007!
Why wait for nature?

The Baron is a pussycat, you've got to be a dolt to screw it
up.


"Denny" wrote in message
oups.com...
| On Mar 6, 6:15 am, "James Sleeman"
wrote:
| On Mar 6, 2:42 pm, Orval Fairbairn
wrote:
|
| We lost a friend yesterday in a Baron C55. He lost the
left engine on
| takeoff, apparently stalled, went inverted and lawn
darted into the
|
| Let it serve as a reminder to all pilots, especially the
twin jockeys,
| to practice those engine outs.
|
| The Baron is known to be a handful if an engine poops near
Vmc... You
| have to be immediate in chopping both throttles in that
situation...
| In a more perfect world Barons would be flown only by pro
pilots (who
| are assumed to be current on engine cuts)
|
| denny - who is too old and too slow to be flying a
Baron...
|
| Actually, I should be a heavy iron pilot, who when faced
with an
| engine out, will set his coffee cup down (carefully),
nudge the
| copilot awake, point at the engine instruments, and say,
"Did you see
| that?"....
|

James Sleeman writes:

Let it serve as a reminder to all pilots, especially the twin jockeys,
to practice those engine outs.

If you fail at practice, you die just as surely as if you had never practiced.

Dangerous things should be practiced in a simulator.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

I spoke a while ago to a friend who had a Baron (I think a B58) - he
eventually sold it looking to get a pressurized one - but that is
another story.

He was trained very well - and went for flights with many CFIs who just
wanted twin time and with other pilots in their Barons. Without fail he
had horror stories of those pilots and CFIs.

No checklists, not caring about vmc, no callouts, nothing. It is no
wonder people kill themselves - the training and checkrides are a joke.

Same goes for the instrument checkride around here.

Sad to hear, but it is a lesson for the rest of us. Be prepared and train.

Orval Fairbairn wrote:
We lost a friend yesterday in a Baron C55. He lost the left engine on
takeoff, apparently stalled, went inverted and lawn darted into the
ground, through a small grove of trees.

According to reliable sources, the gear was down an locked, flaps in
takeoff position and fuel selectors on "Aux".

Fortunately, he was the only one aboard.

Condolences to the family.

"Tim" wrote:

I spoke a while ago to a friend who had a Baron (I think a B58) - he
eventually sold it looking to get a pressurized one - but that is another
story.

He was trained very well - and went for flights with many CFIs who just
wanted twin time and with other pilots in their Barons. Without fail he
had horror stories of those pilots and CFIs.

No checklists, not caring about vmc, no callouts, nothing. It is no wonder
people kill themselves - the training and checkrides are a joke.

Yep. I have two acquaintences who own twins; a Baron and a C-310. They've
been flying a lot longer than I with no problems. I'd as soon sit on a
toilet full of snakes as fly again with either of them.

Same goes for the instrument checkride around here.


That sounds familiar, too, alas.

--
Dan
C-172RG at BFM

On Mar 6, 6:33 am, "Ash Wyllie" wrote:
James Sleeman opined

On Mar 6, 2:42 pm, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
We lost a friend yesterday in a Baron C55. He lost the left engine on
takeoff, apparently stalled, went inverted and lawn darted into the
Let it serve as a reminder to all pilots, especially the twin jockeys,
to practice those engine outs.

During take off, it is best to think of a light twin as a very expensive, and
unreliable single. If an engine stops, land straight ahead.

-ash
Cthulhu in 2007!
Why wait for nature?

Ash,

That is pretty much my take on light twins. If you lost an engine on
takeoff at low altitude you are better off chopping both throttles and
landing it. Only turbine twins typically have enough power to climb
out on a single engine without having to operate near VMC.

Dean