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Heroism (was Glider down near Reno - pilot OK
these pilots have more in common
with astronauts than garden-variety pilots like me... I applaud the efforts of these pilots, who I consider among the most sophisticated and daring pilots on the planet. Right On! MM |
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Glider down near Reno - pilot OK
It's worth noting that a solid state turn and bank instrument is available
that's claimed to give an accurate bank indication 3 seconds after power up, even if the aircraft is in a turn when it is turned on. It's made by a USA company called TruTrak (www.trutrakflightsystems.com). I have one on order, haven't received it yet, but others have commented favorably on it (Google Trutrak). I have no commercial connection to this company. Ray Roberts Ventus 2cM "Q" wrote in message ups.com... Marc Ramsey wrote: Here's a snippet from a message that came from Stew Crane (SSA Gov, NV), concerning the accident: === In the Mt Rose wave he found himself climbing very rapidly again, over 1,000fpm and between lenticulars. What he did not notice due to canopy icing at the back edges of his canopy was that he was being blown back into cloud due to the change in wind direction. He did turn on his artificial horizon when he realized his predicament but, due to instrument spin up time, it was not enough. He went full IFR in an instant without a working horizon at altitude and probably at or above true airspeed redline. Vertigo ensued and in an instant he felt the wings snap off, no strong stick forces, just a snap. === Marc http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...04X01789&key=1 |
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Glider down near Reno - pilot OK
I've used the TruTrak through this season and have posted about it here
before. You'll like it! Power consumption is minimal at 150 ma, and as mentioned, power can be left off as the unit is ready to provide turn data within 3 seconds of applying power. It's available from http://www.oxaero.com/TruTrak-TurnAndBank.asp configured to the preferred 1 minute rate for a glider, for less than $450. Disclaimer - - no interest in company or dealers. This thing WITH adequate training, can save your life. bumper "Ray Roberts" wrote in message ... It's worth noting that a solid state turn and bank instrument is available that's claimed to give an accurate bank indication 3 seconds after power up, even if the aircraft is in a turn when it is turned on. It's made by a USA company called TruTrak (www.trutrakflightsystems.com). I have one on order, haven't received it yet, but others have commented favorably on it (Google Trutrak). I have no commercial connection to this company. Ray Roberts Ventus 2cM "Q" wrote in message ups.com... Marc Ramsey wrote: Here's a snippet from a message that came from Stew Crane (SSA Gov, NV), concerning the accident: === In the Mt Rose wave he found himself climbing very rapidly again, over 1,000fpm and between lenticulars. What he did not notice due to canopy icing at the back edges of his canopy was that he was being blown back into cloud due to the change in wind direction. He did turn on his artificial horizon when he realized his predicament but, due to instrument spin up time, it was not enough. He went full IFR in an instant without a working horizon at altitude and probably at or above true airspeed redline. Vertigo ensued and in an instant he felt the wings snap off, no strong stick forces, just a snap. === Marc http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...04X01789&key=1 |
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Glider down near Reno - pilot OK
What about pitch? Wings don't generally break off because of turning.
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Glider down near Reno - pilot OK
They commonly come off because of loss of control turning.Pitch is easy
as long as you haven't lost control in a turn due to no idea which way you are turning. UH |
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Glider down near Reno - pilot OK
wrote in message ups.com... They commonly come off because of loss of control turning.Pitch is easy as long as you haven't lost control in a turn due to no idea which way you are turning. UH That's right. Part of instrument training is flying "partial panel" with selected instruments failed by covering them. Instructors, being basically devious, fail the artificial horizon (AI) and make the hapless pilot survive with turn coordinator (not nearly as good as the TruTrac for this). They even get you into unusual attitudes and then tell you to save yourself. Great fun. Bottom line is that the roll axis is most critical, pitch is comparatively easy, even with the pitot iced up and the ASI inop. bumper |
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Glider down near Reno - pilot OK
As an instrument rated pilot, I find that "partial panel" flying is one of
the IFR skills that can be kept sharp using Microsoft Flight Simulator with the attitude indicator selected as failed. Much cheaper than practicing it in an airplane, though for peace of mind I do confirm the skill in the airplane from time to time. Ray Roberts Ventus 2cM "Q" "bumper" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... They commonly come off because of loss of control turning.Pitch is easy as long as you haven't lost control in a turn due to no idea which way you are turning. UH That's right. Part of instrument training is flying "partial panel" with selected instruments failed by covering them. Instructors, being basically devious, fail the artificial horizon (AI) and make the hapless pilot survive with turn coordinator (not nearly as good as the TruTrac for this). They even get you into unusual attitudes and then tell you to save yourself. Great fun. Bottom line is that the roll axis is most critical, pitch is comparatively easy, even with the pitot iced up and the ASI inop. bumper |
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Glider down near Reno - pilot OK
Don't delude yourself by thinking that going IFC at red line in the
Sierra Wave with just a turn and bank is anything like a Microsoft flight simulator with a partial panel or an instrument flight in a small plane with a partial panel and an instructor. |
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Glider down near Reno - pilot OK
needle , ball, airspeed...
the airspeed is your pitch.. BT wrote in message oups.com... What about pitch? Wings don't generally break off because of turning. |
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Glider down near Reno - pilot OK
Please excuse this stupid question from a non-power pilot who knows
little about IFR instruments -- apart from the absence of information about pitch, is there any difference between the display of the TruTrak and the display of an artificial horizon? BTIZ wrote: needle , ball, airspeed... the airspeed is your pitch.. BT wrote in message oups.com... What about pitch? Wings don't generally break off because of turning. |
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