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Trident I C-4 is damaged at US naval base
Missile damaged at naval base 12.03.2004 [19:20] If the same thing happened in Russia, they would first claim an American caused the accident. |
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"Krztalizer" wrote in message ... Missile damaged at naval base 12.03.2004 [19:20] If the same thing happened in Russia, they would first claim an American caused the accident. And then the US members of the news group would point out that it showed the total incompetance of the Russian military! |
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Stinky Pete wrote:
The difference is that when the Russians damage a missile, a sub sinks and its crew is lost (Kursk). But if you recall, the Kursk was actually sunk by collision with a US or possibly UK submarine. Sat photos showed the damaged sub at a NATO base in Norway where it had limped off to. SMH |
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"Mark Test" wrote:
"Stephen Harding" wrote in message ... Stinky Pete wrote: The difference is that when the Russians damage a missile, a sub sinks and its crew is lost (Kursk). But if you recall, the Kursk was actually sunk by collision with a US or possibly UK submarine. Sat photos showed the damaged sub at a NATO base in Norway where it had limped off to. SMH Stephen, I was going to get "spun up" over you comment, then I realized you must be joking. Here's why; the KURSK displaced 24,000 tons, wheras an LA displaces 6,900 tons, and a UK Trafalger / Swiftsure class displace 5,200 / 4,900 tons. So you see how ludicrous it is to suggest that a HUGE double hulled sub could have been taken down by a collision with a sub 1/4 it's size. Nice joke though. Mark Mark, don't you remember Venik's(?) absolutely bananas, frothing at the mouth accusations to this effect?...It was quite entertaining if you ignored the tragedy associated with it. Also, didn't they lose some more men with some ham fisted practices while towing the raised hulk ashore? -- -Gord. |
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"Gord Beaman" wrote in message
... "Mark Test" wrote: "Stephen Harding" wrote in message ... Stinky Pete wrote: The difference is that when the Russians damage a missile, a sub sinks and its crew is lost (Kursk). But if you recall, the Kursk was actually sunk by collision with a US or possibly UK submarine. Sat photos showed the damaged sub at a NATO base in Norway where it had limped off to. SMH Stephen, I was going to get "spun up" over you comment, then I realized you must be joking. Here's why; the KURSK displaced 24,000 tons, wheras an LA displaces 6,900 tons, and a UK Trafalger / Swiftsure class displace 5,200 / 4,900 tons. So you see how ludicrous it is to suggest that a HUGE double hulled sub could have been taken down by a collision with a sub 1/4 it's size. Nice joke though. Mark Mark, don't you remember Venik's(?) absolutely bananas, frothing at the mouth accusations to this effect?...It was quite entertaining if you ignored the tragedy associated with it. Also, didn't they lose some more men with some ham fisted practices while towing the raised hulk ashore? And of course it was a torpedo, not a missile... John |
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"Gord Beaman" wrote in message ... "Mark Test" wrote: Mark, don't you remember Venik's(?) absolutely bananas, frothing at the mouth accusations to this effect?...It was quite entertaining if you ignored the tragedy associated with it. Also, didn't they lose some more men with some ham fisted practices while towing the raised hulk ashore? The hulk was raised and towed ashore by a Norwegian salvage firm as I recall and it seemed very professional. Keith |
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Also, didn't they lose some more men with some ham fisted
practices while towing the raised hulk ashore? Gord, IIRC, this was entirely seperate event with a completely different ship. I believe it was an older Russian model sub that was being towed to the scrap yard in heavy seas. Apparently the seas were too rough for the towing operation, the sub sank and the few crew manning the sub were all lost. This is all from memory...anyone got any facts to support me...or prove I'm entirely off base? BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote:
"Gord Beaman" wrote in message .. . "Mark Test" wrote: Mark, don't you remember Venik's(?) absolutely bananas, frothing at the mouth accusations to this effect?...It was quite entertaining if you ignored the tragedy associated with it. Also, didn't they lose some more men with some ham fisted practices while towing the raised hulk ashore? The hulk was raised and towed ashore by a Norwegian salvage firm as I recall and it seemed very professional. Keith Oh...ok, sorry, no harm meant, must be some other incident that I'm remembering about losses of life during towing something then. -- -Gord. |
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"John Mullen" wrote:
"Gord Beaman" wrote in message .. . "Mark Test" wrote: "Stephen Harding" wrote in message ... Stinky Pete wrote: The difference is that when the Russians damage a missile, a sub sinks and its crew is lost (Kursk). But if you recall, the Kursk was actually sunk by collision with a US or possibly UK submarine. Sat photos showed the damaged sub at a NATO base in Norway where it had limped off to. SMH Stephen, I was going to get "spun up" over you comment, then I realized you must be joking. Here's why; the KURSK displaced 24,000 tons, wheras an LA displaces 6,900 tons, and a UK Trafalger / Swiftsure class displace 5,200 / 4,900 tons. So you see how ludicrous it is to suggest that a HUGE double hulled sub could have been taken down by a collision with a sub 1/4 it's size. Nice joke though. Mark Mark, don't you remember Venik's(?) absolutely bananas, frothing at the mouth accusations to this effect?...It was quite entertaining if you ignored the tragedy associated with it. Also, didn't they lose some more men with some ham fisted practices while towing the raised hulk ashore? And of course it was a torpedo, not a missile... John Yes of course, I forgot to say that...thanks John. -- -Gord. |
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Gord Beaman wrote:
"Keith Willshaw" wrote: "Gord Beaman" wrote in message ... "Mark Test" wrote: Mark, don't you remember Venik's(?) absolutely bananas, frothing at the mouth accusations to this effect?...It was quite entertaining if you ignored the tragedy associated with it. Also, didn't they lose some more men with some ham fisted practices while towing the raised hulk ashore? The hulk was raised and towed ashore by a Norwegian salvage firm as I recall and it seemed very professional. Keith Oh...ok, sorry, no harm meant, must be some other incident that I'm remembering about losses of life during towing something then. This one, I imagine: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3193625.stm In August of 2003, a retired November-class SSN was being towed to Polarnye for scrapping lost its flotation pontoons and apparently rolled and sank with most of the tow crew still on board. Remarkably slipshod performance for the Russian navy, towing an unseaworthy ship in bad weather and with the hatches open. -- Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail "Our country, right or wrong. When right, to be kept right, when wrong to be put right." - Senator Carl Schurz, 1872 |
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