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Ed Rasimus wrote:
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:23:25 GMT, "Tom Cooper" wrote: "Ed Rasimus" wrote in message .. . No flares on F-4s in SEA. (Photo-flash carts on RF-4s only). No self-protection chaff carts either. We carried cardboard boxes (about the size of a box of Xmas tree tinsel) in the speedbrake wells. Open the boards to deploy. Try not to use speed brakes earlier in the mission. One time use. Ed, do you possibly know the reasons why no chaff/flare dispensers were mounted on Phantoms at the time (and, AFAIK, for most of the 1970s)? From the standpoint of our days this appears as a very strange measure to me: given how many R-13 shots could have been averted over Vietnam alone.... Tom Cooper They weren't mounted because they didn't yet exist. The ALE-40 (the blister dispenser bolted on the side of the wing pylons) came into production around '73 or '74 after the air war was over. As I mentioned, the operational E-models got them, but they never got retrofitted to the C's that were still active. (I don't know about the D's.) The ALE-40 may not have existed, but (according to Thornborough, pg. 16) the navy was using the ALE-18 starting from April of 1966, at the same time they installed the ALQ-51, APR-25 RHAWS and APR-27 LWR (for some reason the navy used the latter rather than the APR-26). The ALE-29 seems to have replaced the ALE-18 from 1967 or 1968, and I think the ALE-39 was available before the end of the war. There's no obvious reason why the air force couldn't have used dispensers on their tactical a/c at the same time. Hell, the F-105D had its dispenser (an ALE-2) removed from the spec as a cost cutting measure (along with the APS-92 RWR and ALQ-31 jammer), in about 1959 or 1960. Guy |
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