Ventus 2b vs ASW27b ..Which is the better / nicer aircraft?

Hypothetical situation:
Same condition
Same trailer
Same instruments and accessories
Which is the better ship for strong western thermal racing conditions?
Why?
Thanks in advance for those in the know!
T

On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 6:33:12 PM UTC-7, Nick Kennedy wrote:
Hypothetical situation:
Same condition
Same trailer
Same instruments and accessories
Which is the better ship for strong western thermal racing conditions?
Why?
Thanks in advance for those in the know!
T

The 27 has greater wing loading. It's a little faster in strong western conditions. Here's that same topic from 2009: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...ng/ooy3UgY1amI

On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 8:33:12 PM UTC-5, Nick Kennedy wrote:
Hypothetical situation:
Same condition
Same trailer
Same instruments and accessories
Which is the better ship for strong western thermal racing conditions?
Why?
Thanks in advance for those in the know!
T

I found myself faced with the same question three years ago between the Ventus 2b and the ASW27b. I had several friends with the ASW27, so I was inclined to buy a 27 too. After sitting in both cockpits, I found the Ventus 2b to be much more comfortable for my size - 6' 1" and 185lbs. I had much more leg room in the Ventus 2b and actually had to pull the pedals towards me for a comfortable fit. In the 27, I had to push the pedals out all the way and still couldn't extend my legs completely. So my decision was easy strictly based on comfort for long flights.

Michael 8U

On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 5:51:41 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 8:33:12 PM UTC-5, Nick Kennedy wrote:
Hypothetical situation:
Same condition
Same trailer
Same instruments and accessories
Which is the better ship for strong western thermal racing conditions?
Why?
Thanks in advance for those in the know!
T

I found myself faced with the same question three years ago between the Ventus 2b and the ASW27b. I had several friends with the ASW27, so I was inclined to buy a 27 too. After sitting in both cockpits, I found the Ventus 2b to be much more comfortable for my size - 6' 1" and 185lbs. I had much more leg room in the Ventus 2b and actually had to pull the pedals towards me for a comfortable fit. In the 27, I had to push the pedals out all the way and still couldn't extend my legs completely. So my decision was easy strictly based on comfort for long flights.

Michael 8U

Six of one half dozen of another. I have owned and flown both SH and AS gliders. They have a different feel and different engineering ideas. Some like the easy of how SH gliders climb. Some like the finish engineering of AS and how they run, land short. My favorite glider ever was my Nimbus 4, just seemed how a glider should be in every way. I really hated the side hinged canopy on my V2C while assembling or if I wanted to leave open for a second while I retrieved something out of trailer or car. That V2C could climb on almost nothing and could run.

These ships are getting along in age.
Which ship has proven to have the more durable factory gelcoat?
AD's?

Over a Beer ( surprising huh ) with Mocho he mentioned the 27B water ballast tanks. He said if they get a leak you have to tear into the wing to fix them.
Are they prone to leaking?

On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 8:00:45 AM UTC-7, Nick Kennedy wrote:
Over a Beer ( surprising huh ) with Mocho he mentioned the 27B water ballast tanks. He said if they get a leak you have to tear into the wing to fix them.
Are they prone to leaking?

Nick- My memory of that conversation (and those beers) is that I said the Ventus tanks sometimes need that kind of repair. I know of two Ventuses that had to have leaky tanks fixed. Never heard of the problem with the ASW-27.

On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 7:55:46 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 8:00:45 AM UTC-7, Nick Kennedy wrote:
Over a Beer ( surprising huh ) with Mocho he mentioned the 27B water ballast tanks. He said if they get a leak you have to tear into the wing to fix them.
Are they prone to leaking?

Nick- My memory of that conversation (and those beers) is that I said the Ventus tanks sometimes need that kind of repair. I know of two Ventuses that had to have leaky tanks fixed. Never heard of the problem with the ASW-27.

Must have been more than a few beers. How unusual!
Had various problems with water ballast tanks and fittings in AS, SH, JS, LS. Tanks are really great - until they suck.
My input on the original question, I won't buy another side-hinge canopy (left over from the 70s). Not as user-friendly while rigging, putting stuff in the glider or getting in and out. Ask your reapair station how many Schempp canopy hinges they've fixed versus others.
Personally not keen on single-pin rigging either.
But if you're really after a Ventus 2, get a 2Cx so you won't later wish you did.
Jim

On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 8:17:21 AM UTC-8, JS wrote:
On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 7:55:46 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 8:00:45 AM UTC-7, Nick Kennedy wrote:
Over a Beer ( surprising huh ) with Mocho he mentioned the 27B water ballast tanks. He said if they get a leak you have to tear into the wing to fix them.
Are they prone to leaking?

Nick- My memory of that conversation (and those beers) is that I said the Ventus tanks sometimes need that kind of repair. I know of two Ventuses that had to have leaky tanks fixed. Never heard of the problem with the ASW-27.

Must have been more than a few beers. How unusual!
Had various problems with water ballast tanks and fittings in AS, SH, JS, LS. Tanks are really great - until they suck.
My input on the original question, I won't buy another side-hinge canopy (left over from the 70s). Not as user-friendly while rigging, putting stuff in the glider or getting in and out. Ask your reapair station how many Schempp canopy hinges they've fixed versus others.
Personally not keen on single-pin rigging either.
But if you're really after a Ventus 2, get a 2Cx so you won't later wish you did.
Jim

Funny thing about that single pin rigging. When sliding a single-pin in on a SH I wish it had two pins. But when struggling to put two bunt end pins in an AS I sure miss the single pin.

On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 8:37:17 AM UTC-8, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 8:17:21 AM UTC-8, JS wrote:
On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 7:55:46 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 8:00:45 AM UTC-7, Nick Kennedy wrote:
Over a Beer ( surprising huh ) with Mocho he mentioned the 27B water ballast tanks. He said if they get a leak you have to tear into the wing to fix them.
Are they prone to leaking?

Nick- My memory of that conversation (and those beers) is that I said the Ventus tanks sometimes need that kind of repair. I know of two Ventuses that had to have leaky tanks fixed. Never heard of the problem with the ASW-27.

Must have been more than a few beers. How unusual!
Had various problems with water ballast tanks and fittings in AS, SH, JS, LS. Tanks are really great - until they suck.
My input on the original question, I won't buy another side-hinge canopy (left over from the 70s). Not as user-friendly while rigging, putting stuff in the glider or getting in and out. Ask your reapair station how many Schempp canopy hinges they've fixed versus others.
Personally not keen on single-pin rigging either.
But if you're really after a Ventus 2, get a 2Cx so you won't later wish you did.
Jim

Funny thing about that single pin rigging. When sliding a single-pin in on a SH I wish it had two pins. But when struggling to put two bunt end pins in an AS I sure miss the single pin.

Rolladen-Schneider knew how to make pins!
Using the Steve Bralla rigging aid Mark Mocho now sells, the 27/28/29 is easy.
Jim