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Neil Gould writes:
Why don't you just take a ground school course? It would be in French, and I don't want to learn about French aviation. It would be expensive, and I have no money for such things. It would be very time-consuming, and I don't have enough time for that. And it would probably be at an airport somewhere, for which I have no transportation. I read books when I can afford them, and I visit Web sites. It can be less expensive than an intro flight, though not nearly as much fun, but it would answer many of this type of question for you. I can't afford classes or intro flights. As to this particular primitive question: there is no need to report your position to anyone unless you are experiencing some problem, regardless of whether you have flight following. This should be obvious, and easy to understand by asking yourself, "Who would care to know this information?" Search and rescue teams. If you never provide a position report, they won't know where you went down. If, like many VFR pilots, you don't even bother to file a flight plan, they might not even know you are missing. By the time they look for you and find you, you're dead. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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VFR position reporting
Thomas Borchert writes:
And yet again, you know better than the real pilots. So tell us, how and where did you get the idea above. From real pilots. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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Jay Honeck writes:
There is no requirement to use it, but (especially in busy airspace) we use flight following religiously. But isn't busy airspace more likely to turn you down? -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... Scott Post writes: Surely you aren't planning to make position reports in your game? I have already done so. That's what distinguishes simulation from games. You worry about VFR position reports yet you haven't gotten around to learning how to use trim. You are playing a game that simulates flying. I saw this article the other day and thought about you. http://flighttraining.aopa.org/membe...icles/3582.cfm |
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VFR position reporting
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
... Search and rescue teams. If you never provide a position report, they won't know where you went down. If, like many VFR pilots, you don't even bother to file a flight plan, they might not even know you are missing. By the time they look for you and find you, you're dead. This is correct. From the pilots I have talked to, I see several philosophies: 1) Flying over popluated areas, a crash is going to be known and reported well before any automated trigger for search and rescue would be initiated; 2) A wife/SO/friend knows to call FSS if they don't call/show up by XX:XX; 3) File a flight plan so at least they will have a route path to search; 4) File a flight plan and use flight following. ATC will prompt for position reports if they don't have radar coverage. There are no mandatory reporting points for VFR flights even on a flight plan; 5) Don't do anything. Ce La Vie. In terms of timing the start of search and rescue, 2) and 3) are about the same. 1) is only good if the whole flight is over populated areas. 4) will get the fastest response and has other benefits. 5) is unacceptable for my personal minimums. I tend not to file flight plans only because I don't typically go from point A to point B. Sometimes, I don't know where I will end up or how I will get there. A flight plan would only have them searching in the wrong place. 2) is always armed for me but then I have a loving partner and family. I tend to write out my basic plan so that they can (while fighting back the tears) convey to FSS the best places to search. Backing that up is either 1) or 4). Filing a flight plan with passengers on board is a mixed bag. On the one had, I want to offer the most protection to my passengers as possible. On the other hand, it is nice to be able to chit-chat and sightsee without worring about ATC. It is pretty unusual to just call FSS out of the blue with a position report. They will certainly make a note of it but without 2), it won't do much good until days later when you don't show up for work. Other than filing a flight plan, there is no such thing as "N123 over podunk VOR. If you don't hear from me in an hour, come looking." ------------------------------- Travis Lake N3094P PWK |
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Mxsmanic,
By the time they look for you and find you, you're dead. And the likelyhood of this what, based on which statistics? In other words, are we talking about a real-world problem or something you made up as a hypothetical scenario? -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Mxsmanic,
From real pilots. Somehow, I doubt that. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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You can file all of the position reports you want, or not- it won't make any
difference since you are not flying. The majority of planes registered in the US are equipped with ELT's (look it up), which is why most pilots no longer need to file position reports. The newer ELT's with GPS interface are now detectable by SARSAT within the accuracy of the GPS signal. |
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VFR position reporting
Recently, Mxsmanic posted:
Neil Gould writes: As to this particular primitive question: there is no need to report your position to anyone unless you are experiencing some problem, regardless of whether you have flight following. This should be obvious, and easy to understand by asking yourself, "Who would care to know this information?" Search and rescue teams. Then, read up on the use of "Mayday", and Bob's your uncle. Neil |
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Gig 601XL Builder writes:
You worry about VFR position reports yet you haven't gotten around to learning how to use trim. I know how to use trim. You are playing a game that simulates flying. As opposed to flying and behaving as if it were a game. I saw this article the other day and thought about you. http://flighttraining.aopa.org/membe...icles/3582.cfm Since I'm not a member, there's no point in giving me a link. -- Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail. |
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