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Yeff wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:32:34 -0700, Frank Vaughan wrote: There is little that a good Herc can't do. I heard they even put cannons on some (though I really don't believe such fantastic tales...) Add a smiley. Some people won't realise you're joking. Pakistan used Hercs as bombers in 1965, rolling pallettes of bombs out the back door. They were surprisingly accurate and took out several Indian artillery positions. Cheers David |
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On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:50:14 +1100, David Bromage
wrote: Pakistan used Hercs as bombers in 1965, rolling pallettes of bombs out the back door. They were surprisingly accurate and took out several Indian artillery positions. The US was using them as bombers in Afghanistan in 2002, pushing daisycutters off the ramp. Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose. Mary -- Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer |
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ...
"robert arndt" wrote in message om... This concept is way beyond anything the US has concieved for the as-of-yet undetermined B-3. If its undetermined one can hardly claim that another system is in advance of it. Keith Respectfully Keith, B-3 concepts are already being investigated and some of the design work already proposed. See my archived "B-3" posts with links. The German NiMet, however, is way beyond THOSE proposals because it is a Metamorphic bomber concept. The future materials and systems proposed for the NiMet include a type of cellular material that can absorb radar as well as direct hits from enemy a/c guns and missiles without damage to the craft. It would have the unique ability to transform, reform, and deform at will. Also, its outer bio-like structure would allow weapons to be imbedded at various points and released by a complex internal light control system. The future Luftwaffe pilot is expected to be wearing a gel-suit and "cocooned" in the event of an emergency. Since the IOC of the future craft (and the future B-3) is not expected to be until the late 2030s, the technology proposed will take time to develop. But as stated earlier, the German proposal is way beyond any current B-3 concept. As for Airbus conversion aircraft, that is possible NOW. A converted A-series cargo carrier could air drop palletized cruise missiles or munitions. See EFW for conversion concepts. Rob |
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"robert arndt" wrote in message om... "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... "robert arndt" wrote in message om... This concept is way beyond anything the US has concieved for the as-of-yet undetermined B-3. If its undetermined one can hardly claim that another system is in advance of it. Keith Respectfully Keith, B-3 concepts are already being investigated and some of the design work already proposed. See my archived "B-3" posts with links. Equally respectfully I seriously doubt that you have access to such work or that anyone with access will be posting about it in a public forum. The German NiMet, however, is way beyond THOSE proposals because it is a Metamorphic bomber concept. The future materials and systems proposed for the NiMet include a type of cellular material that can absorb radar as well as direct hits from enemy a/c guns and missiles without damage to the craft. It would have the unique ability to transform, reform, and deform at will. Also, its outer bio-like structure would allow weapons to be imbedded at various points and released by a complex internal light control system. The future Luftwaffe pilot is expected to be wearing a gel-suit and "cocooned" in the event of an emergency. The basic technology you describe is not available at this time and its development will be protracted and expensive. Smart structures have been a buzz word for may years now and their proponents are all seeking funding but while promising in the long term we cannot plan weapons system on the basis that they exist, they do not. More limited applications of metamorphic systems design such as variable wing leading and trailing edge contours, embeddable and nonintrusive sensors and smart actuator materials will doubtless be available rather earlier. The next generation of strike aircraft will very likely utilise unmanned vehicles, unlike close air support or air superiority there really is no need for such aircraft to carry along a human for the ride. They will essentially be re-usable cruise missiles. Since the IOC of the future craft (and the future B-3) is not expected to be until the late 2030s, the technology proposed will take time to develop. But as stated earlier, the German proposal is way beyond any current B-3 concept. As for Airbus conversion aircraft, that is possible NOW. A converted A-series cargo carrier could air drop palletized cruise missiles or munitions. As could any transport aircraft Keith |
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Nothing new about 'metamorphic ' airframes. They have been discussed
in Av Week for a few years now. NASA has been working with the concept. But what struck me is 'absorb hits by guns and missiles.' Even Bismarck and Yamato found out that didn't work. There is a definite limit to how much any structure can absorb, and some extant missiles definitely can exceed that limit no matter where they hit the airframe.. Walt BJ |
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The B-1 suprised us all and started working, it doesn't need replacing.
Like the B-2s, however, the B-1 cannot operate within acceptable cost and deployment parameters, a fact apparent to mission planners as early as the mid-1990s. Consult the Gulf War Air Power Survey (available online through Air University's website or at fas.org), or at least the concluding report, published seperately and widely available. The 52s will continue to serve the baseline deployment function in virtually every conceivable, plausible current mission scenario. Or at least every one for which we're presently willing to budget. Any defense wag will concede the dilemma of current development of both fighter and bomber aircraft, namely that the systems-integrative character of contemporary air power projection renders the sophistication of these platforms massively redundant. What matters much much than the cutting edge character of the platform is how seamlessly it fits together with the many, many other components of the standing doctrine. When deploying a PGM, especially the garden variety versions, experience - to say nothing of theoretical studies - demonstrates that comparatively inexpensive platforms like the F-16 complete the tasks much more cheaply and effectively than the 117s or 22s. |
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Obviously soemone thought that the Airbus already was a heavy bomber,
judging by the account of the SAM-7 attack in Iraq.... kudos to the crew who brought it down without losing their own lives. -- G Hassenpflug * IJN & JMSDF equipment/history fan |
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"robert arndt" wrote in message om... (WaltBJ) wrote in message . com... It will be an amazing craft if built, but I do agree that it will take the better part of two more decades to develop and integrate various systems. I would just like to point out the deviation Germany is taking in its approach to future combat. Rather than exploit evolutionary designs like the US does, the Germans appear to be using the same tactics as before- introducing small numbers of revolutionary craft that can counter large numbers of conventional craft. A strategy that lost them the war, lots of P-51's , T-34's and cheap frigates turned out to be a winning plan. Keith |
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