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150's and 172's about the only planes flying!!
On 5/3/2007 10:03:56 AM, Margy Natalie wrote:
Before you ask, all the fly-in spots have been filled for this event and there is already a waiting list. Margy, I am certainly do not mean to attack the messenger here, but does anyone besides me find this ironic? -- Peter |
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150's and 172's about the only planes flying!!
Peter R. wrote:
On 5/3/2007 10:03:56 AM, Margy Natalie wrote: Before you ask, all the fly-in spots have been filled for this event and there is already a waiting list. Margy, I am certainly do not mean to attack the messenger here, but does anyone besides me find this ironic? Why ironic? We can only bring in 50 airplanes and our communications guy put a sign up sheet at OSH last year. I can tell you the average age of the pilots is NOT 25. Anyone within fair striking distance should tell their friends and neighbors! Of course friends and neighbors of pilots get to do things like sit in airplanes, but I can tell you there are LOTS of people who have NEVER had the opportunity to get anywhere near anything other than an airliner. If each one of us (Pilots) inspired one kid a year for the next 10 years to go out when he or she was 25 and get a ticket, we would have done really well. And if we each got 2 kids, imagine, 2 kids a year, well we might have a movement... Margy |
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150's and 172's about the only planes flying!!
On 5/3/2007 11:28:36 AM, Margy Natalie wrote:
Why ironic? We can only bring in 50 airplanes and our communications guy put a sign up sheet at OSH last year. Hmm, upon rereading maybe I don't understand the definition of "fly-in spots." Does this mean that if I wanted to fly to the event that I could not do so or does this mean something else? I had interpreted "fly-in spots" to mean number of airplanes allowed to fly to the airport for the event and if so, it seemed unfortunate that such a wonderful event would be limited by that. Driving to the event would be out of the question for me. -- Peter |
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150's and 172's about the only planes flying!!
"Jay Honeck" wrote The next ten years will decide the fate of GA. You and Ron do what you can, and Mary and I will continue to be the "Pied Pipers" of GA in Iowa. Beyond that, I don't know what else to do. Getting pilots to do anything -- even if it's to save their own fate -- is like herding cats... One BIG thing that pilots need to do, is to invite people along with them, when they go flying. I don't have a "certificate" YET, and I always tell everyone I know that is a pilot, that I would JUMP at the chance to go flying with them, especially when they are going out by themselves. I don't get near the invitations that I would like. So, if everyone would be more open to invite a prospective pilot along, DO IT !!! It might be what someone needs to get off of the fence, and go for it. -- Jim in NC |
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I think you missed one of the biggest components of the perfect storm. The
act that helped resurrect GA limits the liability of manufacturers depending upon the age of the aircraft. So enterprising plaintiff lawyers will have to find someone else to sue besides manufacturers. That means mechanics, since someone with deep pockets has to be responsible for all GA accidents. So many shops will not work on older aircraft, since if something happens, they will be the only defendants in the suit, and their carrier will be the only one on the risk. So not only are the airframes aging, the mechanics are aging, and the mechanics and shops have a strong financial disincentive to work on older aircraft. Plus, everything else you said... "Mike Isaksen" wrote in message news:Lmg_h.8534$f17.4923@trndny05... "nrp" wrote... Itinerant traffic at KSSQ has gone to about zero, even with the excellent VFR WX this spring. There's a perfect storm working against us prop pounding GA guys: 1. The age of the average flyer/owner is transitioning from the peak earning years into the fixed income period. A scary phase to own a 30+ year old money hole. 2. Avgas costs are up at around $4/gal, that's almost a 100% increase in 10 years. Makes forward looking projections very difficult. 3. Administrative, operational and insurance hurdles have risen to a point where they seem to dominate every hanger/coffee discussion. This involves everything from changing the 4ft high airport fence to one 8ft barb wire topped with coded security gates. Airport authorites increasing insurance minimums for aircraft in hanger and tiedowns. And limiting access rules for personal cars and family tours. |
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150's and 172's about the only planes flying!!
Peter R. wrote:
On 5/3/2007 11:28:36 AM, Margy Natalie wrote: Why ironic? We can only bring in 50 airplanes and our communications guy put a sign up sheet at OSH last year. Hmm, upon rereading maybe I don't understand the definition of "fly-in spots." Does this mean that if I wanted to fly to the event that I could not do so or does this mean something else? I had interpreted "fly-in spots" to mean number of airplanes allowed to fly to the airport for the event and if so, it seemed unfortunate that such a wonderful event would be limited by that. Driving to the event would be out of the question for me. Yeah, it's a "by invitation" fly-in as we can't handle too many aircraft. Jay Honeck flew in the year before last. There's always next year to fly in. I know some aircraft are parking at the FBO and then getting ground transport down. Margy |
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150's and 172's about the only planes flying!!
Morgans wrote:
"Jay Honeck" wrote The next ten years will decide the fate of GA. You and Ron do what you can, and Mary and I will continue to be the "Pied Pipers" of GA in Iowa. Beyond that, I don't know what else to do. Getting pilots to do anything -- even if it's to save their own fate -- is like herding cats... One BIG thing that pilots need to do, is to invite people along with them, when they go flying. I don't have a "certificate" YET, and I always tell everyone I know that is a pilot, that I would JUMP at the chance to go flying with them, especially when they are going out by themselves. I don't get near the invitations that I would like. So, if everyone would be more open to invite a prospective pilot along, DO IT !!! It might be what someone needs to get off of the fence, and go for it. Sadly, I know lots of pilots who won't invite folks to go flying for the fear of liability issues. Margy |
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150's and 172's about the only planes flying!!
"Margy Natalie" wrote Sadly, I know lots of pilots who won't invite folks to go flying for the fear of liability issues. Yes, I know that does happen, and I agree, that is sad. Very sad. Myself, I will not allow my life to be ruled by geeks, bean counters, and lawyers at insurance companies. In my case, these are relatively close friends, so I don't think that is the cause. -- Jim in NC |
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150's and 172's about the only planes flying!!
I know some aircraft are parking at the FBO and then getting ground transport down.
How is this different? You fly into the airport, you park, you go to the event. Do you have special parking, which is full? Jose -- Get high on gasoline: fly an airplane. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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150's and 172's about the only planes flying!!
I know some aircraft are parking at the FBO and then getting ground transport down.
How is this different? You fly into the airport, you park, you go to the event. Do you have special parking, which is full? I think Margy is talking about appearing IN the event, not just attending as a visitor. Also, parking at the Dulles FBO and going to Udvar-Hazy is almost like landing at Neil Armstrong Airport and going to the Air Force Museum. The two are not all that close together. In fact, it took us longer to taxi to the museum (when we appeared at the first "Be a Pilot" day) than it did to FLY to Dulles from Fredericksburg! The place is huge. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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