First Glider LS4

Mark James Boyd wrote:

, then try the LS-4.
Maybe it won't affect your decision, but it might
get you to buy wingstands or a gym membership...:P

If assembling an LS4 is an issue to you, then you *really* need that
membership urgently. Just a suugestion.

Stefan

On 10 Sep 2004 10:50:45 -0700, (Mark James Boyd)
wrote:

With some gliders,
a lot of people scatter, or you might need to buy them
dinner subtle off color remark begins AND make them breakfast
subtle off color remark ends.

Sounds likethe description of an ASH-25, Nmbus 4D or even an eta -
because these "people" (usually of the opposite sex) decide to stay
over night due to the sexy glider and its obviously rich owner...


vbg




Bye
Andreas

In article ,
Stefan wrote:
Mark James Boyd wrote:

, then try the LS-4.
Maybe it won't affect your decision, but it might
get you to buy wingstands or a gym membership...:P

If assembling an LS4 is an issue to you, then you *really* need that
membership urgently. Just a suugestion.

Well, for a LOT of assemblies last year, I had the nicest,
greatest crew ever (my towpilot). But he's been doing this
about ten million years and ten billion times. It almost killed me
to even ask for his help 30 times in the 100 degrees at 8:30 am in
the harsh desert. Instead I wanted to let him swing on the hammock
and drink an iced tea while reading the paper (as he deserves).

Each pound of wing made me wince as this fine example of graceful
aging hefted the wingtip in my aid. My God, I'm starting to weep
as I write this, oh gentle reader... :'''(

So between my very sweet and dainty wife and my much-adored and
respected elders (all of whom I want to KEEP as friends), I shall
be seeking wings like feathers. Of course, only to the degree my
budget and subtle colorful comment begins eternal lust for
penetration subtle colorful comment ends allows.

And I'm only half-joking...a long car ride with two sweaty
crewmembers and me who just lifted 150+ pounds 50 feet and then over
a fence doesn't seem so good either...
--

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Mark J. Boyd

Well if you are looking for an easy flying glider...you
can't go too far wrong with a Discus,

I couldnt agree more. We are using it as the first retractable club glider. We
keep them in the trailer rather than the hanger as they are so quick and simple
to rig.
Typically we can rig all three using just the three pilots in 15 minutes.
I think the wings are lighter than the LS4 as they have carbon spars.
You can even buy them new still according to Schliechers web site

In article ,
Marc Ramsey wrote:

Stefan wrote:
Higher premium because of low time in "anything" may make sense, but
because of low time in over 35:1 certainly doesn't.

If you consider that, here in the US, time in "under 35:1 gliders" often
means Schweizer 2-33, it starts to make sense...

So how would you classify time in:

- Std Libelle (over 35:1)
- Grob 103 (over 35:1 ... just)
- ASK21 (over 35:1 ... just ... maybe)
- Club Libelle (a Std Libelle with fixed UC and bigger cockpit in an
effort to reduce it to exactly 35:1 to meet class rules)
- PW5 (under 35:1, a little)

--
Bruce | 41.1670S | \ spoken | -+-
Hoult | 174.8263E | /\ here. | ----------O----------

You could find it a lot easier on the Shemp Hirth web site.

John
"OscarCVox" wrote in message
...
Well if you are looking for an easy flying glider...you
can't go too far wrong with a Discus,

I couldnt agree more. We are using it as the first retractable club
glider. We
keep them in the trailer rather than the hanger as they are so quick and
simple
to rig.
Typically we can rig all three using just the three pilots in 15 minutes.
I think the wings are lighter than the LS4 as they have carbon spars.
You can even buy them new still according to Schliechers web site

In article ,
(solo89) wrote:

I had 99 flights in 35:1 or greater (total 103 flights). My hours were
pretty low. Something like 20 hours pic. In talking to others, I think
I have a pretty normal rate.

Hmm ... why do you need 35:1 when you're averaging 12 minutes per
flight? :-)

I'm up to just over 300 flights now, 200 hours PIC, 235 hours total.
Average flight times are within a minute or two of an interesting
pattern:

80 min: single seat (K6, PW5, Libelle)
40 min: PIC two seat (taking friends for rides in Janus or Grob)
20 min: P2 two seat (training, BFR, type conversion, site check..)

--
Bruce | 41.1670S | \ spoken | -+-
Hoult | 174.8263E | /\ here. | ----------O----------

I can rig and derig a Nimbus 3 using just a Cobra one man rigging dolly and
I'm fat and 45. If you can't do it with an LS4 may I suggest membership the
local lawn bowls or fishing club!

Ian

"Mark James Boyd" wrote in message
news:41422a0f$1@darkstar...
In article ,
Stefan wrote:
Mark James Boyd wrote:

, then try the LS-4.
Maybe it won't affect your decision, but it might
get you to buy wingstands or a gym membership...:P

If assembling an LS4 is an issue to you, then you *really* need that
membership urgently. Just a suugestion.

Well, for a LOT of assemblies last year, I had the nicest,
greatest crew ever (my towpilot). But he's been doing this
about ten million years and ten billion times. It almost killed me
to even ask for his help 30 times in the 100 degrees at 8:30 am in
the harsh desert. Instead I wanted to let him swing on the hammock
and drink an iced tea while reading the paper (as he deserves).

Each pound of wing made me wince as this fine example of graceful
aging hefted the wingtip in my aid. My God, I'm starting to weep
as I write this, oh gentle reader... :'''(

So between my very sweet and dainty wife and my much-adored and
respected elders (all of whom I want to KEEP as friends), I shall
be seeking wings like feathers. Of course, only to the degree my
budget and subtle colorful comment begins eternal lust for
penetration subtle colorful comment ends allows.

And I'm only half-joking...a long car ride with two sweaty
crewmembers and me who just lifted 150+ pounds 50 feet and then over
a fence doesn't seem so good either...
--

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Mark J. Boyd

tango4 wrote:
I can rig and derig a Nimbus 3 using just a Cobra one man rigging dolly and
I'm fat and 45.

How often do you do this in a plowed field?

One of Mark's points, as well as mine, is the potential retrieve
difficulty will much affect the pilot new to cross-country flying. A
Nimbus 3 isn't likely to inspire the new XC pilot to take ANY chance of
landing out. A Nimbus 3 can more easily reach the next airport than,
say, a Russia, but in our area that can be little consolation: many
airports are too narrow to land that 25 meter wing, so you are forced
into a field anyway.

I encourage the wannabe cross-country pilot to think about what will be
the biggest hinderance to that type of flying, then acquire what will
overcome that. It might plenty of L/D, or a light weight glider for easy
retrieving, or gungho friends/spouse/kids that like the "pick it out of
the field" adventure, or a powered glider. It's not the same for
everyone or every place.

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Eric Greenwell
Washington State
USA