How similar are the 1-34 and 2-32 to fly?

Just wondering how similar these two ships are to fly. Performance
numbers seem to be in the same neighborhood. I've been flying our
club's 1-34 and have gotten comfortable with it. What should I expect
if I were to step into the 2-32?

Thanks.

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:27:43 -0700, wrote:

Just wondering how similar these two ships are to fly. Performance
numbers seem to be in the same neighborhood. I've been flying our
club's 1-34 and have gotten comfortable with it. What should I expect
if I were to step into the 2-32?

Basically higher roll and yaw inertia. Rolling into and out of turns
takes a little longer, with higher aileron forces, and you do more
work on the rudder to keep the yaw string straight. It will gain
airspeed a shade faster with the nose down. All told, an easy
transition, much easier than your first flight in a single-place.

rj

Your responses are interesting. The reason I posted this question is
because it was recommended (by a CFIG and former LS1f owner) that the
2-32 would be a good ship to use for transitioning to my new (to me)
LS1f. It doesn't sound like it will handle much like the LS1f. I've
spoken to many current and former LS1f drivers, and they all tell the
same story regarding it's handling. Light, responsive, excellent
control harmony, docile and a joy to fly. This doesn't sound like your
descriptions of how the 2-32 flies.

The things I'm most concerned about climbing into the LS1f is the CG
tow hook (take-offs) and energy management during the landing phase.
My own approach to transition was to get some time in a G103 or an
ASK21.

What do you guys think? 2-32, or something glass like the 103 or 21?


Thanks.

On Jul 16, 1:41?pm, wrote:
Your responses are interesting. The reason I posted this question is
because it was recommended (by a CFIG and former LS1f owner) that the
2-32 would be a good ship to use for transitioning to my new (to me)
LS1f. It doesn't sound like it will handle much like the LS1f. I've
spoken to many current and former LS1f drivers, and they all tell the
same story regarding it's handling. Light, responsive, excellent
control harmony, docile and a joy to fly. This doesn't sound like your
descriptions of how the 2-32 flies.

The things I'm most concerned about climbing into the LS1f is the CG
tow hook (take-offs) and energy management during the landing phase.
My own approach to transition was to get some time in a G103 or an
ASK21.

What do you guys think? 2-32, or something glass like the 103 or 21?

Thanks

Either the 103 or K-21 would be a much better choice. I certainly
agree with the other posts about flying the 2-32. A flying truck is a
perfect description. My preference to transition would be the
ASK-21...much better rudder feel than the Grob.

Gary Adams
GE8

wrote:
Either the 103 or K-21 would be a much better choice. I certainly
agree with the other posts about flying the 2-32. A flying truck is a
perfect description. My preference to transition would be the
ASK-21...much better rudder feel than the Grob.

I'd agree that the ASK021 may be better if the G103 is an early model
(Twin Astir or G103A Acro II). Those will teach you a lot about speed
control/energy management but their roll rate leaves a lot to be desired
and both are under-ruddered.

However, if you can find an Acro III (G103C - the one with a Discus-like
wing) that's the one to go for. I flew one for the first time a couple
of weeks ago and liked it a lot, especially flown solo. It retains the
speed management issues of the G103A but is much more responsive in roll
and has a more powerful rudder, which both make it nicer to fly and
closer in feel to single seat glass.


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martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
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On Jul 16, 1:41?pm, wrote:
Your responses are interesting. The reason I posted this question is
because it was recommended (by a CFIG and former LS1f owner) that the
2-32 would be a good ship to use for transitioning to my new (to me)
LS1f. It doesn't sound like it will handle much like the LS1f. I've
spoken to many current and former LS1f drivers, and they all tell the
same story regarding it's handling. Light, responsive, excellent
control harmony, docile and a joy to fly. This doesn't sound like your
descriptions of how the 2-32 flies.

The things I'm most concerned about climbing into the LS1f is the CG
tow hook (take-offs) and energy management during the landing phase.
My own approach to transition was to get some time in a G103 or an
ASK21.

What do you guys think? 2-32, or something glass like the 103 or 21?

Thanks

Either the 103 or K-21 would be a much better choice. I certainly
agree with the other posts about flying the 2-32. A flying truck is a
perfect description. My preference to transition would be the
ASK-21...much better rudder feel than the Grob.

Gary Adams
GE8

Second that - the K21 is better harmonised than earlier G103s. I have not flown
the 103-III which is apparently much better.

I transitioned to aerotow on Std Cirrus using a G103. In my experience it is an
effective approach - just use the CG hook on the Grob/K21.

(snip)A pilot here in Colorado recently bought an LS-3 that had been based
in Moriarty. When I brought him the tow rope, I found it had been
fitted with an Applebay Zuni 'chin' hook. Nice addition to a glider
that will be frequently flown from sites that frequently get some
squirrelly crosswinds.

Frank Whiteley (snip)

What is a chin hook?

Thanks, Bagger

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Your responses are interesting. The reason I posted this question is
because it was recommended (by a CFIG and former LS1f owner) that the
2-32 would be a good ship to use for transitioning to my new (to me)
LS1f. It doesn't sound like it will handle much like the LS1f. I've
spoken to many current and former LS1f drivers, and they all tell the
same story regarding it's handling. Light, responsive, excellent
control harmony, docile and a joy to fly. This doesn't sound like your
descriptions of how the 2-32 flies.

The things I'm most concerned about climbing into the LS1f is the CG
tow hook (take-offs) and energy management during the landing phase.
My own approach to transition was to get some time in a G103 or an
ASK21.

What do you guys think? 2-32, or something glass like the 103 or 21?


Thanks.


Definitely not a 2-32!

Our club has 2 ASK21's and we had an AcroII that we sold. We have a G102
Club III and a LS4(with CG hook)

Our pilots who are competent in the K21 have no problem transitioning to the
102 or the LS4, with a proper briefing. Be sure you are briefed by a CFIG
who flies a CG hook equipped glider on aerotow. The K21s have a CG hook but
it is possible to burn the rope in two by the nosewheel--we tried it a few
times and gave up!

The briefing needs to emphasize two points, and a dual flight is helpful to
practice these.

On takeoff, the glider needs to be kept on a short leash!---In other words,
scrupulous attention to correct tow position, laterally and vertically. Trim
properly and let the glider lift off on its own. The more sensitive single
place will balloon much more easily than the K21.
There is much less tendency for auto correction of malposition than with a
nose hook, but the pilot can correct position easily.

On landing---nail the glidepath solidly with small timely corrections on the
spoilers, and keep the airspeed nailed with the elevator. Then, on roundout,
transition gently to the landing attitude (about same as Vminsink) and keep
it there--(this minimizes airspeed excursion and ballooning). The stick is
much more sensitive on landing, so its use must be minimized. Adjust the
touchdown point with the spoiler.


That's about it----have fun!

Hartley Falbaum
CFIG USA

Our pilots who are competent in the K21 have no problem transitioning to
the 102 or the LS4, with a proper briefing. Be sure you are briefed by a
CFIG who flies a CG hook equipped glider on aerotow. The K21s have a CG
hook but it is possible to burn the rope in two by the nosewheel--we tried
it a few times and gave up!


Having flown the 1-34, SGS 2-32, Grob 103 and LS4. I would not think the
2-32 to be a good transition trainer. If your option is the K-21.. then
yes.. a far better choice.

We use our club G103 to transition our pilots to our LS4. The pilots must be
Grob 103 PIC qualified with consistent landings before transition to single
seat glass. We put the single seat glass candidate in the back seat and use
the CG hook. We carefully brief the tendency to "catch the rope twix tire
and pavement" if the nose is allowed to drop once picked up. We have never
burned a rope, but that does not mean we won't.

Slack line recoveries really feel different with the CG hook, and the point
is well made to get the nose pointed at tow before the rope comes taught.
Also pilots are not used to seeing the rope off to the side.. so we go left
and right "across the top of the box" to let them see that.. also dropping
down one side of the "box" to really see the rope impresses the "pay
attention and stay put on tow".

2-33s, 2-32s, 1-34s and even the Grob 103 require the nose to be picked up
early in the take off, counter productive for "tail wheel glass" single
seaters.. the hardest part is getting the new LS pilot to "relax" back
pressure on take off to allow the tail to rise and let the LS "fly off"..
holding the stick back causes the LS to JUMP into the air at too slow a
speed, and then the pilot is PIO to keep from over ballooning while waiting
for the tow to lift off.

BT
CFIG and TOW

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:41:47 -0700, wrote:

Your responses are interesting. The reason I posted this question is
because it was recommended (by a CFIG and former LS1f owner) that the
2-32 would be a good ship to use for transitioning to my new (to me)
LS1f. It doesn't sound like it will handle much like the LS1f. I've
spoken to many current and former LS1f drivers, and they all tell the
same story regarding it's handling. Light, responsive, excellent
control harmony, docile and a joy to fly. This doesn't sound like your
descriptions of how the 2-32 flies.

The things I'm most concerned about climbing into the LS1f is the CG
tow hook (take-offs) and energy management during the landing phase.
My own approach to transition was to get some time in a G103 or an
ASK21.

What do you guys think? 2-32, or something glass like the 103 or 21?


Thanks.

OK, that puts a different perspective on it. As I said, the transition
to a 2-32 is easy -- too easy if glass is your destination. Better to
go to a Grob 103.

I didn't know there were any 2-32's left in rental/club service...last
I heard, a chain of tourist ride operations had bought up the whole
2-32 fleet. Lots of clubs, including mine, skinned them pretty good
on the price...;-)

rj