PW-6 family fun ------

PW-6 is approved for IMC and performs aerobatics except continuous
inverted flying and full rolls -- most owners never need these.

Knacklappen wrote:
As a friend of mine just pointed out, I have missed to highlight that
there is a certain difference in g-load capability between the PW6 and
ASK21, which will limit the use of the PW6 for Aerobatics and IMC
training:
http://jarek24.w.interia.pl/pw/pw6e.htm
http://www.alexander-schleicher.de/e...sk21_daten.htm

As my old instructor once replied after I asked him if we could invert
the 23 year old,club operated Grob 103 - "...fine, just drop me off
before you'll do that...".

But yet you fly a Jantar...?


At 23:54 06 March 2006, Gk wrote:
As my old instructor once replied after I asked him
if we could invert
the 23 year old,club operated Grob 103 - '...fine,
just drop me off
before you'll do that...'.

The answer is simple. The ASK 21 is a quality glider.
The PW6 is a lower quality glider built to a price.
Comparing these two gliders is like comparing a BMW
and a Hyundai.

If you are struggling with the answer to your question
I suggest you take a closer look at the two aircraft.
If you can't see the difference in build quality then
you have even less engineering awareness than me –
and that’s saying something.

Check the tailplane hookup arrangement. Note that
when you sit in the back of the 21 you actually have
instruments.

Also, check the finish of a 5 year old 6 vs a 5 year
old 21.

There's nothing wrong with the PW6 if you are buying
to a price. It lower quality and therefore cheaper.

You always get what you pay for.

B


At 13:42 06 March 2006, Gk wrote:

(2) The shameless plug actually promoted a PW-5/6,
which in my very
humble opinion (though shared by many others) is a
couple of
offensively ugly gliders. This probably made my initial
statement a bit
more 'spicy' than necessary. ;-)

Answering your question, I would recommend a combination
of ASK-21 and
LS-4, both quite versatile gliders, usable for teaching
but also in
competitions.

Agreed on pewee 5, but how exactly is Ask-21 better
than Pewee 6?
Other than brand new price tag being doubled or so.
Same 1:31 gliding
ratio according to SM testing, so you hypothesis is
based on the same
idea people go and buy MB cars thinking they've just
got a better
build, reliable flashy vehicle soon thereafter they
realize it's a
flashy Ford quality money pit. My club picks would
be Pewee 6 - for
a price of 20 year old Ask-21 used in a club you can
get a new one and
Ls-4.

Interesting --- paying German workers incredibly high hourly rates means
the quality of their work is higher too? Both ships are designed to the
same European Union standards.

Ben Flewett wrote:
The answer is simple. The ASK 21 is a quality glider.
The PW6 is a lower quality glider built to a price.
Comparing these two gliders is like comparing a BMW
and a Hyundai.

If you are struggling with the answer to your question
I suggest you take a closer look at the two aircraft.
If you can't see the difference in build quality then
you have even less engineering awareness than me –
and that’s saying something.

Check the tailplane hookup arrangement. Note that
when you sit in the back of the 21 you actually have
instruments.

Also, check the finish of a 5 year old 6 vs a 5 year
old 21.

There's nothing wrong with the PW6 if you are buying
to a price. It lower quality and therefore cheaper.

You always get what you pay for.

B

In article ,
Ben Flewett wrote:

If you can't see the difference in build quality then
you have even less engineering awareness than me –
and that’s saying something.

Hey Ben. Nice TV segment tonight. And good "this is an Xtreme Sport"
plug at the end.

--
Bruce | 41.1670S | \ spoken | -+-
Hoult | 174.8263E | /\ here. | ----------O----------

There are no "European Union quality standards". The EASA authority is
mostly concerned with performance limits, like g-loads. How the gelcoat
is degrading over time is not regulated anywhere, and it would be a
ridiculous overregulation if it were.

Yes -- overregulation is a real and creeping problem.

Knacklappen wrote:
There are no "European Union quality standards". The EASA authority is
mostly concerned with performance limits, like g-loads. How the gelcoat
is degrading over time is not regulated anywhere, and it would be a
ridiculous overregulation if it were.

Lots of truth there but remember -- the LBA has approved the PW-6
production arrangements. Surely they don't condone lesser quality.

Knacklappen wrote:

Regarding supposedly high labour cost in Germany vs. supposedly lower
labour costs in Eastern Europe I recommend reading this from a
competitor of Schleicher:
http://www.dg-flugzeugbau.de/kosten-e.html

One of your competitiors had some interesting comments about the
quality of the LS glider he was using; grid mechanic was running the
other way each time he seen him and his quality built glider...