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ASH 26E VS DG 808C
I know the comparison of ASH 26 VS DG 800's has been done, but now that
DG has come out with a DG 808C I was wondering what self launching guys think? The new 808C allows wing loading of up to 10.2 Lbs compared to 9.2 for the ASH 26? The new DG also has NOAH exit assist and stall warning plus automated engine extraction and stowage. If you were in the market today for a self launch which one would you choose? Plus these designs are getting near the end of their life span, what would you like to see in the next self launch glider? |
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ASH 26E VS DG 808C
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ASH 26E VS DG 808C
On Oct 21, 1:53 pm, Marc Ramsey wrote: wrote: Plus these designs are getting near the end of their life span, what would you like to see in the next self launch glider?Well, they could start by figuring out a way to sell them for less than I paid for my house... Well, so of this is due to the exchange rate! Not wanting to get political, but you can thank our budget deficit and trade deficit for the exchange rate. I miss the days of .82 cents to the Euro. |
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ASH 26E VS DG 808C
I would like to see 20 meters in the next motor glider to get the
wingloading down. On Oct 21, 1:47 pm, wrote: I know the comparison of ASH 26 VS DG 800's has been done, but now that DG has come out with a DG 808C I was wondering what self launching guys think? The new 808C allows wing loading of up to 10.2 Lbs compared to 9.2 for the ASH 26? The new DG also has NOAH exit assist and stall warning plus automated engine extraction and stowage. If you were in the market today for a self launch which one would you choose? Plus these designs are getting near the end of their life span, what would you like to see in the next self launch glider? |
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ASH 26E VS DG 808C
Roger wrote:
I would like to see 20 meters in the next motor glider to get the wingloading down. The Antares has 20 meters, but I don't know if it has a lower wing loading; on the other hand, the Apis, Taurus, and Silent are 15 meters, and they do have a lighter wing loading. I'm assuming you don't want to go to the 25 meter span gliders to achieve that light wing loading... How low did you think was needed? Are you flying in weak weather? -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly "Transponders in Sailplanes" on the Soaring Safety Foundation website www.soaringsafety.org/prevention/articles.html "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org |
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ASH 26E VS DG 808C
I did a lot of comparing and spent another 2 hours going back and forth
between the 26E and the 808B. The comparing included talking to people who worked on both these gliders, including Tom Stowers and Larry Mansberger (of composite fame). I chose the 26E. Subsequent to this, about 4 years ago, I've had much more experience and had the chance to really "go over" my glider, and look at the competition too. Even with the "C" version now available, I'd make the same decision again. Of course, it's to be expected that an owner will tend to favor the machine he has invested in - - I guess. The 26 is not perfect, but it's the very best 18 meter self-launch available, both mechanically, and esthetically too. bumper wrote in message oups.com... I know the comparison of ASH 26 VS DG 800's has been done, but now that DG has come out with a DG 808C I was wondering what self launching guys think? The new 808C allows wing loading of up to 10.2 Lbs compared to 9.2 for the ASH 26? The new DG also has NOAH exit assist and stall warning plus automated engine extraction and stowage. If you were in the market today for a self launch which one would you choose? Plus these designs are getting near the end of their life span, what would you like to see in the next self launch glider? |
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ASH 26E VS DG 808C
What about the ablity with the 808 C comp to now fly at 10.4 Lbs verus
the 26's max wing loading of 9.2 Lbs, the stearable tail wheel and the ability to fill the gas tank from a truck or gas pump? I too think the 26 is "prettier". Does the large canopy of the DG cause relection and leak when it shrinks do the the cold from altitude? On Oct 21, 7:05 pm, "bumper" wrote: I did a lot of comparing and spent another 2 hours going back and forth between the 26E and the 808B. The comparing included talking to people who worked on both these gliders, including Tom Stowers and Larry Mansberger (of composite fame). I chose the 26E. Subsequent to this, about 4 years ago, I've had much more experience and had the chance to really "go over" my glider, and look at the competition too. Even with the "C" version now available, I'd make the same decision again. Of course, it's to be expected that an owner will tend to favor the machine he has invested in - - I guess. The 26 is not perfect, but it's the very best 18 meter self-launch available, both mechanically, and esthetically too. bumper wrote in ooglegroups.com... I know the comparison of ASH 26 VS DG 800's has been done, but now that DG has come out with a DG 808C I was wondering what self launching guys think? The new 808C allows wing loading of up to 10.2 Lbs compared to 9.2 for the ASH 26? The new DG also has NOAH exit assist and stall warning plus automated engine extraction and stowage. If you were in the market today for a self launch which one would you choose? Plus these designs are getting near the end of their life span, what would you like to see in the next self launch glider? |
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ASH 26E VS DG 808C
Eric, some places fly all year and if the pilot is 200 - 250 lbs the
wing loading in a motor glider is near max. In the winter this means the non-engine folks have a much easier time staying aloft, and the motor glider in on the ground watching the pure gliders having fun. On Oct 21, 6:35 pm, Eric Greenwell wrote: Roger wrote: I would like to see 20 meters in the next motor glider to get the wingloading down.The Antares has 20 meters, but I don't know if it has a lower wing loading; on the other hand, the Apis, Taurus, and Silent are 15 meters, and they do have a lighter wing loading. I'm assuming you don't want to go to the 25 meter span gliders to achieve that light wing loading... How low did you think was needed? Are you flying in weak weather? -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly "Transponders in Sailplanes" on the Soaring Safety Foundation websitewww.soaringsafety.org/prevention/articles.html "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" atwww.motorglider.org |
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ASH 26E VS DG 808C
Roger wrote:
Eric, some places fly all year and if the pilot is 200 - 250 lbs the wing loading in a motor glider is near max. Have you considered a sustainer glider instead of a self-launcher? That removes 100 pounds or so. I've found my 18 meter glider climbs as well as a typical 15 meter glider that has less wing loading. Span loading is an important number, so don't go just by wing loading. In the winter this means the non-engine folks have a much easier time staying aloft, and the motor glider in on the ground watching the pure gliders having fun. Start the engine, climb a bit, and go back to soaring. You will be able to do cross-country flights on the days the unpowered folk don't dare leave the field. The engine is your portable towplane, and even in weak conditions you might find, as I have, that you don't need it as much as you thought you would. Starting the engine might be the of competition or badge flight, but it's not the end of the flight or the fun. A few of my most memorable flights involved weak conditions and low cloud bases, but I had good soaring flights because I knew it wasn't going to end in a retrieve. Not that retrieves can't be fun, but after 20 years of them before I got the motorglider, my wife and I aren't missing them much! To the 26E, 808 list I'd add the Antares, and the Apis and Silent gliders (electric and gas versions). Lots more choices today than 10 years ago. -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly "Transponders in Sailplanes" on the Soaring Safety Foundation website www.soaringsafety.org/prevention/articles.html "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org |
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ASH 26E VS DG 808C
So which one would you choose today? The Antares is much more
expensive so that limits the market. What would you like in the next generation of MG. On Oct 21, 8:13 pm, Eric Greenwell wrote: Roger wrote: Eric, some places fly all year and if the pilot is 200 - 250 lbs the wing loading in a motor glider is near max.Have you considered a sustainer glider instead of a self-launcher? That removes 100 pounds or so. I've found my 18 meter glider climbs as well as a typical 15 meter glider that has less wing loading. Span loading is an important number, so don't go just by wing loading. In the winter this means the non-engine folks have a much easier time staying aloft, and the motor glider in on the ground watching the pure gliders having fun.Start the engine, climb a bit, and go back to soaring. You will be able to do cross-country flights on the days the unpowered folk don't dare leave the field. The engine is your portable towplane, and even in weak conditions you might find, as I have, that you don't need it as much as you thought you would. Starting the engine might be the of competition or badge flight, but it's not the end of the flight or the fun. A few of my most memorable flights involved weak conditions and low cloud bases, but I had good soaring flights because I knew it wasn't going to end in a retrieve. Not that retrieves can't be fun, but after 20 years of them before I got the motorglider, my wife and I aren't missing them much! To the 26E, 808 list I'd add the Antares, and the Apis and Silent gliders (electric and gas versions). Lots more choices today than 10 years ago. -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly "Transponders in Sailplanes" on the Soaring Safety Foundation websitewww.soaringsafety.org/prevention/articles.html "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" atwww.motorglider.org |
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