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October 9th 07, 04:09 PM
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When to descend
You are coming from northeast of SFB. ATC says "Cleared direct UDUZI,
maintain 4000' until established, cleared RNAV 9L approach." http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0710/00917R9L.PDF When do you descend below 4,000 and to what altitude? -- Dan T-182T at BFM 
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October 9th 07, 04:22 PM
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In a previous article, "Dan Luke" said:
You are coming from northeast of SFB. ATC says "Cleared direct UDUZI, maintain 4000' until established, cleared RNAV 9L approach." http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0710/00917R9L.PDF When do you descend below 4,000 and to what altitude? Good question. What does "established" mean on GPS approach? I'm guessing they said that because they don't want you to descend to the sector altitude (2700) when you hit 30nm out, so I guess I'd wait until crossing UDUZI and descend to 2000. In a T182, I'm guessing you'd need to make at least 1000 fpm to get to 2000 before UGMAH. -- Paul Tomblin http://blog.xcski.com/ ....I've discovered the one thing worse than people who open attachments from people they don't know. People who delete files when instructed by people they don't know. -- Michael
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#3
October 9th 07, 06:17 PM
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On Oct 9, 8:22 am, (Paul Tomblin) wrote:
In a previous article, "Dan Luke" said: You are coming from northeast of SFB. ATC says "Cleared direct UDUZI, maintain 4000' until established, cleared RNAV 9L approach." http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0710/00917R9L.PDF When do you descend below 4,000 and to what altitude? Good question. What does "established" mean on GPS approach? As soon as you are on a charted segment of the approach as depicted. -Robert, CFII
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October 9th 07, 04:27 PM
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Dan Luke wrote: You are coming from northeast of SFB. ATC says "Cleared direct UDUZI, maintain 4000' until established, cleared RNAV 9L approach." http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0710/00917R9L.PDF When do you descend below 4,000 Anytime after UDUZI. and to what altitude? At or above 2000
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October 9th 07, 05:22 PM
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Newps wrote:
Dan Luke wrote: You are coming from northeast of SFB. ATC says "Cleared direct UDUZI, maintain 4000' until established, cleared RNAV 9L approach." http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0710/00917R9L.PDF When do you descend below 4,000 Anytime after UDUZI. and to what altitude? At or above 2000 wrong
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#6
October 11th 07, 12:50 AM
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"Bee" wrote in message ... Newps wrote: Dan Luke wrote: You are coming from northeast of SFB. ATC says "Cleared direct UDUZI, maintain 4000' until established, cleared RNAV 9L approach." http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0710/00917R9L.PDF When do you descend below 4,000 Anytime after UDUZI. and to what altitude? At or above 2000 wrong You want to expand on that a bit, bucko? Al G
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#7
October 11th 07, 02:25 AM
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Al G wrote:
"Bee" wrote in message ... Newps wrote: Dan Luke wrote: You are coming from northeast of SFB. ATC says "Cleared direct UDUZI, maintain 4000' until established, cleared RNAV 9L approach." http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0710/00917R9L.PDF When do you descend below 4,000 Anytime after UDUZI. and to what altitude? At or above 2000 wrong You want to expand on that a bit, bucko? Al G I already did. You descend to 2700 once inside the TAA. Like Steve said, you guys need to read the AIM and the PC/G. ALo
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#8
October 9th 07, 04:33 PM
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"Dan Luke" wrote in message ... You are coming from northeast of SFB. ATC says "Cleared direct UDUZI, maintain 4000' until established, cleared RNAV 9L approach." http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0710/00917R9L.PDF When do you descend below 4,000 and to what altitude? 30 miles from UDUZI, 2700 MSL.
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October 9th 07, 05:22 PM
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Dan Luke" wrote in message ... You are coming from northeast of SFB. ATC says "Cleared direct UDUZI, maintain 4000' until established, cleared RNAV 9L approach." http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0710/00917R9L.PDF When do you descend below 4,000 and to what altitude? 30 miles from UDUZI, 2700 MSL. correct.
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#10
October 10th 07, 12:15 AM
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In article , Bee wrote:
Steven P. McNicoll wrote: "Dan Luke" wrote in message ... You are coming from northeast of SFB. ATC says "Cleared direct UDUZI, maintain 4000' until established, cleared RNAV 9L approach." http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0710/00917R9L.PDF When do you descend below 4,000 and to what altitude? 30 miles from UDUZI, 2700 MSL. correct. Hmmmmm....I'm not sure I buy this. The clearance stated "...maintain 4000' *until established*..." which to me says that I'm to remain at 4000' until I am on a *charted* section of the approach. Simply being in the TAA does not mean I'm on a charted section of the approach. For this clearance, I would say I'm on a charted section of the approach after crossing the IAF (UDUZI). I would not descend below 4000' until after crossing UDUZI, and then I would descent to 2000' as depicted. Or am I being too conservative here? -- Dane
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