How did you install your FLARM brick and/or ADS-B Out?

Remember, TN22 head and core have to be returned to Mid Contient to be upgraded for ADS-B 2020 compliance use.

On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 2:33:07 PM UTC-5, Mike N. wrote:
As an add on question to this topic, I currently have a Flarm core installed and am installing a Trig TT22 / TN72 for 2020 ADS-B compliance.

My question is, once the Trig transponder is installed, what configuration changes should I make to the Flarm?

I just started reading the Flarm manual, and thought this discussion relevant, so I'm asking....

One change I understand is the ICAO codes should be set to match in both.

I am very technically adept. I'll be going through the manuals, but thought I would raise this question here as well.

If it's a recently purchased TT22 I would hope the software version is up to date enough. Which begs the question of how do you check the software version. You just the transponder on and the versions for all the parts shows on the LCD screen as it boots, and then disappears before you can note them down. The way I deal with that is have the iPhone camera ready and just take a photo of the screen.

On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 12:21:18 PM UTC-8, wrote:
Remember, TN22 head and core have to be returned to Mid Contient to be upgraded for ADS-B 2020 compliance use.

On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 2:33:07 PM UTC-5, Mike N. wrote:
As an add on question to this topic, I currently have a Flarm core installed and am installing a Trig TT22 / TN72 for 2020 ADS-B compliance.

My question is, once the Trig transponder is installed, what configuration changes should I make to the Flarm?

I just started reading the Flarm manual, and thought this discussion relevant, so I'm asking....

One change I understand is the ICAO codes should be set to match in both.

I am very technically adept. I'll be going through the manuals, but thought I would raise this question here as well.

Yep, that was just done. In fact the TT22 and TN72 should be arriving at my home tomorrow from Mid Avionics. Fully up to date.
Thanks

On Tuesday, November 19, 2019 at 11:33:07 AM UTC-8, Mike N. wrote:
As an add on question to this topic, I currently have a Flarm core installed and am installing a Trig TT22 / TN72 for 2020 ADS-B compliance.

My question is, once the Trig transponder is installed, what configuration changes should I make to the Flarm?

I just started reading the Flarm manual, and thought this discussion relevant, so I'm asking....

One change I understand is the ICAO codes should be set to match in both.

I am very technically adept. I'll be going through the manuals, but thought I would raise this question here as well.

The ICAO code should match. That's true for FLARM used with any Mode-S transponder and FLARM, not just ADS-B Out. But even without either I would hope folks are using the aircraft's ICAO address as the ID.

.... if for no other reason this makes it easier to know the aircraft ID if you go missing and folks need to invoke FLARM SAR. Digression on FLARM SAR....

Not specifically related to this, but a reminder: You should also register your contest ID with FLARMnet using that ICAO address so other folks can more easily ID you... that also helps confirm folks have the right ID for your glider if FLARM SAR is used.

What's FLARM SAR? It's an adjunct to other search and rescue technology. FLARM units record periodic data on other FLARM units they see, that's what is used to do range analysis using the online FLARM tool for example. It can be useful if gliders are flying in mountainous or other regions with poor radar, ADS-B or OGN coverage and for whatever reasons the glider does not have inReach or Spot or similar devices or they are not working. Everything you need to know to invoke FLARM SAR is at https://flarm.com/wp-content/uploads...2/SAR_Text.pdf

FLARM SAR was used with the crash of the Duo Discus last year flying out of Truckee where Sergio Colacevich and Jim Alton tragically lost their lives. FLARM was able to construct part of the flight path towards the location of the crash, using data from one other glider. While not a help in that situation it could have been useful to exclude having a missing glider crew that needed a SAR response. Thanks to the folks at FLARM for a very quick response on that, and for Ramy Yanetz for chasing down FLARM log files from nearby gliders. And in this case it showed its use a a backup, it appeared that the SPOT tracker in the glider may have been accidentally turned off after testing on the ground before the flight. All very tragic and two great folks that all of us in the region will miss. Please lets try to learn and improve from that.

Since FLARM SAR does not seem well known in the USA I would ask clubs and glider operations to start talking about it more to raise awareness. Again, pilots can help by checking their FLARM ID is configured to their glider ICAO address, and that the FLARM is set up on FLARMnet... again makes it easier to find you if bad things happen without confusion about the FLARM ID you are using... and make sure you can download the FLARM log file *from your FLARM unit* so you can help others...

One of the nice things happening in Region 11 as well is Philip Lee and other folks working to install OGN receivers at popular gliding locations. Lots of Kudos to PASCO for funding those units. And I know this is trickling down into Region 12 as well. And again OGN provides SAR capabilities for FLARM equipped gliders if they are in line of site range of an OGN receiver. I believe Tom Serkowski is looking at installing OGN as well as FlightAware ADS-B receivers near Inyokern. And other clubs like the Soaring Club of Houston Association already have FlightAware receivers (free from FlightAware) at their location. More technology than you can poke a stick at... but good stuff with a little bit of though/understanding/planning.

On Sunday, November 17, 2019 at 12:17:18 PM UTC-6, wrote:
Is it powered direct or by another instrument?
Did you install a dedicated fuse?
trig TT22 powered by a dedicated fused circuit
Did you install a dedicated off/on switch or is it slaved?
Master switch supplies power to trig TT22 dedicated circuit
Do you use a dedicated GPS antennae or split with another instrument.
Ta70 (actually a Rami AV 801)powered by TN70 WAAS GPS receiver
TN 70 powered by TT22
Do you ever have the in-flight need to turn it off?
If I'm in the glider, on the ground or in the air, It's on.
If you have both, why would you fly with one on and not the other?
No flarm. And I have yet to determine if I will ever need it,
I fly in western Oklahoma and only 1 other glider even has Flarm
In my area.
If necessary, how is the Trig -2X and the TN-72 software updated?
I have pulled seven or so ads-b reports and they all have been perfect.
I am hoping the Oudie will include a non flarm Ads-b In function the
future.

Cheers and good lift,
Scott

On Sunday, November 17, 2019 at 10:17:18 AM UTC-8, wrote:
Is it powered direct or by another instrument?
Did you install a dedicated fuse?
Did you install a dedicated off/on switch or is it slaved?
Do you use a dedicated GPS antennae or split with another instrument..
Do you ever have the in-flight need to turn it off?
If you have both, why would you fly with one on and not the other?
If necessary, how is the Trig -2X and the TN-72 software updated?

Thanks for your reply.

I refuse to install flarm, because I consider that company to be actively obstructing the adoption of adsb in gliders, by diverting money better spent on adsb, and by not allowing flarm traffic displays to accept non-flarm-format inputs. My glider has a Trig 22 and TN72 and a scout adsb-in sending data to the foreflight on my kneepad iphone.

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 7:31:50 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Sunday, November 17, 2019 at 10:17:18 AM UTC-8, wrote:
Is it powered direct or by another instrument?
Did you install a dedicated fuse?
Did you install a dedicated off/on switch or is it slaved?
Do you use a dedicated GPS antennae or split with another instrument.

Darryl- When posting on RAS with a message such as this, please use the "SARCASM FONT." Lots of readers just can't make the intellectual leap.

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 9:24:20 PM UTC-8, Darryl Ramm wrote:
On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 7:31:50 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Sunday, November 17, 2019 at 10:17:18 AM UTC-8, wrote:
Is it powered direct or by another instrument?
Did you install a dedicated fuse?
Did you install a dedicated off/on switch or is it slaved?
Do you use a dedicated GPS antennae or split with another instrument.
Do you ever have the in-flight need to turn it off?
If you have both, why would you fly with one on and not the other?
If necessary, how is the Trig -2X and the TN-72 software updated?

Thanks for your reply.

I refuse to install flarm, because I consider that company to be actively obstructing the adoption of adsb in gliders, by diverting money better spent on adsb, and by not allowing flarm traffic displays to accept non-flarm-format inputs. My glider has a Trig 22 and TN72 and a scout adsb-in sending data to the foreflight on my kneepad iphone.

Yes the evil anti-ADS-B company that developed an ADS-B In product largely for the USA market? And worked to get that ADS-B In support shipped as standard in the USA? And that many hundreds of gliders pilots in the USA have adopted, increasingly alongside 1090ES Out in their gliders.

Please let us all know what exact display manufacturers is being prevented doing anything by FLARM. That's gotta violate a bunch of laws in the USA and Europe. One example will do. The whole global gliding community will owe you a deep favor for uncovering this horrible and illegal business practice.

And your traffic display used with ADS-B In works great in glider on glider situations? Like thermalling? Maybe you could post a video online of it working. Lots of people have hoped for an ADS-B solution that could do that and not been able to find it, but wow you have! That is fantastic! And all my use of Foreflight with ADS-B In I can't get close to working out how you would do this. Waiting to be wowed....

Darryl,
My comment was based on my frustration in that I can buy a Scout adsb-in receiver for $200, but have no sunlight-readable display to use with it. My iphone is not bright enough. The nice bright traffic displays only accept flarm-format data. Regarding your other point about adsb not being suitable for collision avoidance in a thermal: I agree, but neither is flarm. I do believe that the future (in the USA) lies with adsb, and on that basis I'd argue that money spent on flarm is money diverted from being better spent on adsb.

On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 4:23:43 PM UTC-5, wrote:

My comment was based on my frustration in that I can buy a Scout adsb-in receiver for $200, but have no sunlight-readable display to use with it. My iphone is not bright enough. The nice bright traffic displays only accept flarm-format data.

Some misunderstandings are expressed in your comment. See the Powerflarm web page:

Transponder and ADS-B Receiver

While many aircraft are already FLARM-equipped, there are still some that are not. With the optional transponder and ADS-B 1090ES receiver, available in select PowerFLARM devices, you are protected from those aircraft as well.. The additional receiver listens for intruders transmitting Mode-C, Mode-S, and ADS-B messages on 1090 MHz, and includes those aircraft in the smart trajectory prediction and collision warning algorithms.

https://flarm.com/products/powerflarm/

And recently mentioned in another RAS thread is ongoing work to bring TIS-B and ADS-R to Powerflarm and that will improve ADS-B capabilities.