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Airspace Violations OLC
5Z wrote:
It's up to ALL OF US to keep an eye on flight claims and attempt to contact the person making a questionable claim. Ask them to add a comment to the flight explaining the discrepancy, or withdraw the flight. If they refuse, and it's an obvious bust, then submit a "complaint" to the OLC. The very concept of getting accusatory emails from individuals who likely know nothing of the circumstances of my flights, would certainly kill any interest I might have in participating in the OLC... |
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Marc Ramsey wrote:
5Z wrote: It's up to ALL OF US to keep an eye on flight claims and attempt to contact the person making a questionable claim. Ask them to add a comment to the flight explaining the discrepancy, or withdraw the flight. If they refuse, and it's an obvious bust, then submit a "complaint" to the OLC. The very concept of getting accusatory emails from individuals who likely know nothing of the circumstances of my flights, would certainly kill any interest I might have in participating in the OLC... How about calling in law enforcement to carry out random ramp testing on loggers? Once folks start breaking one or two little rules, who knows where it could lead? We need to stamp out this antisocial widespread glider log cheating immediately! Some good examples - all of those recent long ridge flights in the NE USA are made WAY too close to the ground. I think all those logs should be pulled for close scrutiny for violations! Mike |
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When someone passes you on the highway doing 15 over the speed limit,
do you call 911 and sic the coppers on him? If you see your neighbor in a sleazy bar about to get lucky, do you call his wife? The saying "Mind your own business" comes to mind! Kirk 66 |
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When someone passes me doing 80 in a 65 zone, I do call the cops.
Mike Schumann wrote in message ups.com... When someone passes you on the highway doing 15 over the speed limit, do you call 911 and sic the coppers on him? If you see your neighbor in a sleazy bar about to get lucky, do you call his wife? The saying "Mind your own business" comes to mind! Kirk 66 |
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When someone passes you on the highway doing 15 over the speed limit,
do you call 911 and sic the coppers on him? 15 KPH we have speed cameras and radar and lidar for that! If you see your neighbour in a sleazy bar about to get lucky, do you call his wife? I don't hang out in sleazy bars do you! As a former PI the wife normally paid to find out they called me. The saying "Mind your own business" comes to mind! Yes just like the USA minding everyone else's business the world police. Next time a jet on descent into Australia's busiest airport sucks a glider through its engine don't forget to dial 000 Kirk 66 |
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Marc Ramsey wrote:
5Z wrote: It's up to ALL OF US to keep an eye on flight claims and attempt to contact the person making a questionable claim. Ask them to add a comment to the flight explaining the discrepancy, or withdraw the flight. If they refuse, and it's an obvious bust, then submit a "complaint" to the OLC. The very concept of getting accusatory emails from individuals who likely know nothing of the circumstances of my flights, would certainly kill any interest I might have in participating in the OLC... I can understand that, but is there a way a person could contact you that would be agreeable to you? Or as an alternative to people contacting a pilot with a potential airspace violation, would you prefer any pilot posting a flight with an airspace intrusion explain why the intrusion was allowed (in the comment section on the claim form)? -- Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA www.motorglider.org - Download "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" |
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Eric Greenwell wrote:
Marc Ramsey wrote: The very concept of getting accusatory emails from individuals who likely know nothing of the circumstances of my flights, would certainly kill any interest I might have in participating in the OLC... I can understand that, but is there a way a person could contact you that would be agreeable to you? Or as an alternative to people contacting a pilot with a potential airspace violation, would you prefer any pilot posting a flight with an airspace intrusion explain why the intrusion was allowed (in the comment section on the claim form)? I might not have an issue with the OLC implementing some mechanism for automatically detecting and requesting clarification on any apparent airspace violations in a flight. It may or may not be worth the hassle, but it would at least be clear what was going on. If I instead had to justify my every move to arbitrary observers, it definitely isn't worth it. Every year I make flights under (and once inside, with permission) Class B airspace, over and inside of (with permission) Class C airspace, over and inside of (inactive) Restricted airspace, in Class A wave windows, etc. A local pilot may or may not understand what is going on, someone outside of the area almost certainly won't. For some people, it would just be a license to harass other pilots. This is one area where personal responsibility should be the primary enforcement mechanism, just as it is for those who aren't participating in the OLC. Marc P.S. I'm not currently participating in the OLC, as I don't think it is worth the hassle... |
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Ok, so every time a pilot exceeds 18,000 feet, he just adds a note
"cleared by ATC" and everything's fine! I don't know why there's an assumption that rule breaking is at all widespread and that a flight outside normal airspace hasn't been done with permission. Most of us do obey the rules, you know. Mike |
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