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Can they do this? Restrict airport to IFR traffic only?
Can they close an airport to all VFR traffic? This is what they're
doing at Friedman Memorial Airport at Hailey, Idaho [HLE]. Link to the article: http://www.mtexpress.com/index2.php?...&ID=2005102705 |
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Sure they can. They close/open airports to only specific traffic all the
time. wrote in message ups.com... Can they close an airport to all VFR traffic? This is what they're doing at Friedman Memorial Airport at Hailey, Idaho [HLE]. Link to the article: http://www.mtexpress.com/index2.php?...&ID=2005102705 |
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"alexy" wrote in message ... wrote: Can they close an airport to all VFR traffic? This is what they're doing at Friedman Memorial Airport at Hailey, Idaho [HLE]. Odd question/statement combination. Doesn't the statement answer the question? -- Alex -- Replace "nospam" with "mail" to reply by email. Checked infrequently. I would assume (I know, bad word) the OP is asking whether they can legally do this :-) |
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"John E. Carty" wrote:
"alexy" wrote in message .. . wrote: Can they close an airport to all VFR traffic? This is what they're doing at Friedman Memorial Airport at Hailey, Idaho [HLE]. Odd question/statement combination. Doesn't the statement answer the question? -- Alex -- Replace "nospam" with "mail" to reply by email. Checked infrequently. I would assume (I know, bad word) the OP is asking whether they can legally do this :-) I agree. And I didn't mean to be one of the most hated of netizens, the grammar cop. It just struck me as a humorous juxtaposition. -- Alex -- Replace "nospam" with "mail" to reply by email. Checked infrequently. |
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wrote in message oups.com... Can they close an airport to all VFR traffic? This is what they're doing at Friedman Memorial Airport at Hailey, Idaho [HLE]. Link to the article: http://www.mtexpress.com/index2.php?...&ID=2005102705 On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 10:00:04 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder" wr.giacona@coxDOTnet wrote in TdP9e.2910$Xg.714@okepread02:: Sure they can. They close/open airports to only specific traffic all the time. I thought it was a condition for receipt of AIP funds, that ALL categories and types of aviation be served by the airport. |
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... wrote in message roups.com... Can they close an airport to all VFR traffic? This is what they're doing at Friedman Memorial Airport at Hailey, Idaho [HLE]. Link to the article: http://www.mtexpress.com/index2.php?...&ID=2005102705 On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 10:00:04 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder" wr.giacona@coxDOTnet wrote in TdP9e.2910$Xg.714@okepread02:: Sure they can. They close/open airports to only specific traffic all the time. I thought it was a condition for receipt of AIP funds, that ALL categories and types of aviation be served by the airport. Well Larry that's true but have you ever been to an air show? Was the airport closed to traffic while the show was going on? Neither what I alluded to in my post or the original post was talking about a ongoing and forever ban on any type of traffic. Only a ban for a specific type of traffic for a specific period of time. In the OP it was non-IFR traffic on the dates and times mentioned in the story. In my post it was non-airhow participants during airshows. |
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On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:34:33 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wr.giacona@coxDOTnet wrote in ZmS9e.2916$Xg.336@okepread02:: "Larry Dighera" wrote in message .. . wrote in message groups.com... Can they close an airport to all VFR traffic? This is what they're doing at Friedman Memorial Airport at Hailey, Idaho [HLE]. Link to the article: http://www.mtexpress.com/index2.php?...&ID=2005102705 On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 10:00:04 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder" wr.giacona@coxDOTnet wrote in TdP9e.2910$Xg.714@okepread02:: Sure they can. They close/open airports to only specific traffic all the time. I thought it was a condition for receipt of AIP funds, that ALL categories and types of aviation be served by the airport. Well Larry that's true but have you ever been to an air show? Was the airport closed to traffic while the show was going on? Yes; during air show operations, the airport was closed to non air show operations. This was doubtless done in the name of safety, and it is obviously required for an air show to take place, unlike what is occurring in Idaho. Neither what I alluded to in my post or the original post was talking about a ongoing and forever ban on any type of traffic. Only a ban for a specific type of traffic for a specific period of time. This is the reason for the ban on VFR operations given in the Idaho Mountain Express article: Because an unprecedented crunch of arriving and departing aircraft at the end of the July 4 holiday weekend, Friedman Memorial Airport officials have decided to restrict operations during some hours only to aircraft on instrument flight plans. Rick Baird, airport manager, said the field would be closed Tuesday, July 5, to all VFR (Visual Flight Rules) arriving traffic between noon and 8:30 p.m. Only aircraft on IFR (Instrument Flight Rules) flight plans would be allowed during those hours. In the OP it was non-IFR traffic on the dates and times mentioned in the story. In my post it was non-airhow participants during airshows. As you can readily discern, the cause of the closure is apparently economically based (as opposed to safety based) due to limited aircraft parking facilities available on the airport. My question is, why should VFR operations be banned in favor of IFR operations if discrimination is forbidden under AIP agreement contract terms? If Friedman Memorial Airport has not received any AIP funding within the last 20 years, my question is moot, but that's unlikely. The prime qualification for employment as an airport manager is the ability to successfully write AIP grant proposals. |
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:34:33 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder" wr.giacona@coxDOTnet wrote in ZmS9e.2916$Xg.336@okepread02:: "Larry Dighera" wrote in message . .. wrote in message egroups.com... Can they close an airport to all VFR traffic? This is what they're doing at Friedman Memorial Airport at Hailey, Idaho [HLE]. Link to the article: http://www.mtexpress.com/index2.php?...&ID=2005102705 On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 10:00:04 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder" wr.giacona@coxDOTnet wrote in TdP9e.2910$Xg.714@okepread02:: Sure they can. They close/open airports to only specific traffic all the time. I thought it was a condition for receipt of AIP funds, that ALL categories and types of aviation be served by the airport. Well Larry that's true but have you ever been to an air show? Was the airport closed to traffic while the show was going on? Yes; during air show operations, the airport was closed to non air show operations. This was doubtless done in the name of safety, and it is obviously required for an air show to take place, unlike what is occurring in Idaho. Neither what I alluded to in my post or the original post was talking about a ongoing and forever ban on any type of traffic. Only a ban for a specific type of traffic for a specific period of time. This is the reason for the ban on VFR operations given in the Idaho Mountain Express article: Because an unprecedented crunch of arriving and departing aircraft at the end of the July 4 holiday weekend, Friedman Memorial Airport officials have decided to restrict operations during some hours only to aircraft on instrument flight plans. Rick Baird, airport manager, said the field would be closed Tuesday, July 5, to all VFR (Visual Flight Rules) arriving traffic between noon and 8:30 p.m. Only aircraft on IFR (Instrument Flight Rules) flight plans would be allowed during those hours. In the OP it was non-IFR traffic on the dates and times mentioned in the story. In my post it was non-airhow participants during airshows. As you can readily discern, the cause of the closure is apparently economically based (as opposed to safety based) due to limited aircraft parking facilities available on the airport. My question is, why should VFR operations be banned in favor of IFR operations if discrimination is forbidden under AIP agreement contract terms? If Friedman Memorial Airport has not received any AIP funding within the last 20 years, my question is moot, but that's unlikely. The prime qualification for employment as an airport manager is the ability to successfully write AIP grant proposals. While the article does mention the parking problem that isn't the reason for the IFR only period. The article also says..." IFR aircraft under radar control of Salt Lake Air Route Traffic Control Center can be sequenced to land at Friedman at closer intervals to keep traffic moving. " So, the reason is they feel they can get more aircraft into the airport during the time period. So the lack of ramp space issue will acctully be made worse by the IFR rule if they really can get more aircraft on the ground. The point of my post was, while I'm not an expert on AIP funding, I doubt that a short term ban on certain flights in the name of getting more planes into the airport in a safe manner would put the funding in jepordy. |
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"Gig 601XL Builder" wr.giacona@coxDOTnet wrote in message news:NsT9e.2920$Xg.960@okepread02... While the article does mention the parking problem that isn't the reason for the IFR only period. The article also says..." IFR aircraft under radar control of Salt Lake Air Route Traffic Control Center can be sequenced to land at Friedman at closer intervals to keep traffic moving. " So, the reason is they feel they can get more aircraft into the airport during the time period. So the lack of ramp space issue will acctully be made worse by the IFR rule if they really can get more aircraft on the ground. The point of my post was, while I'm not an expert on AIP funding, I doubt that a short term ban on certain flights in the name of getting more planes into the airport in a safe manner would put the funding in jepordy. Also, if the weather is VFR, there is nothing stopping us VFR pilots from filing an IFR flight plan and flying in, as long as we maintain VFR. This would further add to the congestion. Adam N7966L Beech Super III |
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