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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
Bob Officer wrote in
: On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:44:19 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Bob Officer wrote in m: On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:37:04 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: "Scott M. Kozel" wrote in : Government Shill #2 wrote: George wrote: I wonder in this example why did the Electra stall and spin? From my very first lessons it was drilled into my head by all my instructors "WHEN THE ENGINE FAILS GET THE NOSE DOWN AND FLY THE AIRPLANE!" I wonder why the Electra didn't remain in a (somewhat) straight & level attitude? Was the crew too busy, confused, alarmed, to fly/glide the airplane? ISTR from reading Air Disasters by Macarthur Jobs, that the Electra crashed because the birds took out both engines on one side and the asymmetric thrust of the remaining engines could not be corrected by the available rudder authority. I may be wrong. It was a long time ago that I read about it. Plus the fact that it happened right after takeoff when it was just above stall speed. It wouldn't have been just above stal speed, it would have been just above V2 whihc would have been at least VSO 1.2 http://aviation-safety.net/database/...?id=19601004-0 A few seconds after taking off from runway 05, the Electra struck a flock of starlings. A number of these birds were ingested in engine no.1, 2 and 4. Engine no. 1 was shut down and the prop feathered. Shortly after that the no. 2 and 4 engines experienced a substantial momentary loss of power. This caused the plane to yaw to the left and decelerate to stall speed. The left wing then dropped, the nose pitched up and the L-188 rolled left into a spin and fell almost vertically into the water. PROBABLE CAUSE: "The unique and critical sequence of the loss and recovery of engine power following bird ingestion, resulting in loss of airspeed and control during takeoff. " Loss of airspeed due to the loss of three engines. The HP woudl have been attempting to maintain altitude with a speed trade and no thrust to spare. He would have entually hit VMC and rolled doing this. Just like Concorde.. No one can fault Scully. He has exactly the same number of take offs and landings. That he swam away from his last with no loss passengers and crew is a good thing. At the end of the day, tha's all that counts. There are those who would try and tamper with success, though. Evel fjukkers. We have an obscene name for them, so if any reader is of a timid disposition, they had best look away now. We call them.. Management pilots. We have those too on the railroad. They are generally called Accountants. At least they don;'t pretend to be engineers! Bertie |
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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
Bob Officer wrote in
: On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:49:57 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Bob Officer wrote in m: On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:31:50 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, §ñühw¤£f wrote: Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile : On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:31:29 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, §ñühw¤£f wrote: Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile m: On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:20:16 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: §ñühw¤£f wrote in news:t96dnQfJw- : Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile : "Scott M. Kozel" wrote in news:gkvte8 $eth $1 : §ñühw¤£f wrote: I propose a technological solution to the problem of bird strikes: turboprops. Lets return to the good old days pre-jet engines. Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra example is a turboprop, the above poster apparently didn't realize that a turboprop engine has a jet engine. Discuss. The large piston engines were incredibly complex, and generally could drive airliners at only about half the speed of those with the pure jet engines. yes, but they were so much more fun Bertie Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles. Excellent. I'll sign on for a course. Yeah, think on that for a while. Its either that or the locomotive, chaps. Only if it's a real one. i.e. Steam No! Hell no! And what pray tell is wrong with steam? Steam locomotives? Everything. Well man spit it out! Lets not play guessing games here! Have you ever been on a working steam locomotive? They are very dirty (producing soot and ash. Very noisy. (usually about 90-105 dB. They get louder under full power) Excelelnt. The engines I road we have the full ear muff/sound reduction. The SP4449 and the both of the UP steam engines. I also road in an steam engine at the of 5... But that hardly counts. (my dad was steam and diesel locomotive engineer) The others were as a adult. Most all locomotive engineers from the steam era were deaf. and suffered breathing problems. Pretty much the same as pilts, then. Yep, but I think the fumes and hearing damage might be higher in the railroad business. The length of daily exposure before 1973 was 16 hours/day/7 days a week. Most all locomotive engineers from the diesel era still suffer hearing loss. Most all operating employees for railroads with more than 10 years of service have some hearing loss. About ten years ago the railroads started losing lawsuits over hearing losses and started a hearing conservation program. Too bad it was 27 years too late. Biggest complaints from crews which still use those 1st and 2nd generation locomotives, noise and exhaust fumes in the cab. Guess what? http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...oxic-fumes-in- airliner-cabins-ignored-by-authorities.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...ndustry.uknews http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...umes-check-on- ba-jets-683819.html http://www.welcomeaboardtoxicairline...amediapack.pdf http://www.corporatewatch.org/?lid=3073 Yep, I used those studies myself to help the union combat the carriers demands. They'r ecrap. Just gettin off the stinky 75 in fact. Thank fukiin christ for that. 1315 more days and then I can retire. I've sailed nearly 800 nautical miles in the last 3 weeks... I've only fired up the engine three times. all three times because the local port master disliked vessels coming or leaving under sail. Silence is golden... Sailboats gotta luff them. yes. they won; tpay me to make em go though. ****. Bertie |
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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into HudsonRiver after LGA departure
On Jan 21, 2:49*pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Bob Officer wrote : On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:31:50 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, §ñühw¤£f wrote: Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile : On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:31:29 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, §ñühw¤£f wrote: Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile : On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:20:16 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: §ñühw¤£f wrote in news:t96dnQfJw- : Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile : "Scott M. Kozel" wrote in news:gkvte8$eth $1 : §ñühw¤£f wrote: I propose a technological solution to the problem of bird strikes: turboprops. Lets return to the good old days pre-jet engines. Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra example is a turboprop, the above poster apparently didn't realize that a turboprop engine has a jet engine. Discuss. The large piston engines were incredibly complex, and generally could drive airliners at only about half the speed of those with the pure jet engines. yes, but they were so much more fun Bertie Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles. Excellent. I'll sign on for a course. Yeah, think on that for a while. Its either that or the locomotive, chaps. Only if it's a real one. i.e. Steam No! Hell no! And what pray tell is wrong with steam? Steam locomotives? Everything. Well man spit it out! Lets not play guessing games here! Have you ever been on a working steam locomotive? They are very dirty (producing soot and ash. Very noisy. (usually about 90-105 dB. They get louder under full power) Excelelnt. Most all locomotive engineers from the steam era were deaf. and suffered breathing problems. Pretty much the same as pilts, then. Most all locomotive engineers from the diesel era still suffer hearing loss. Most all operating employees for railroads with more than 10 years of service have some hearing loss. About ten years ago the railroads started losing lawsuits over hearing losses and started a hearing conservation program. Too bad it was 27 years too late. Biggest complaints from crews which still use those 1st and 2nd generation locomotives, noise and exhaust fumes in the cab. Guess what? http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...oxic-fumes-in- airliner-cabins-ignored-by-authorities.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...ndustry.uknews http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...umes-check-on- ba-jets-683819.html http://www.welcomeaboardtoxicairline...amediapack.pdf http://www.corporatewatch.org/?lid=3073 Bertie Man, the kerosene smell of a hot re-fuel of the Otter during skydive operations (Spaceland, Houston Gulf, '80's & '90's) was part of the experience. Had a chance to wander through a Blackhawk at Wings Over houston last year and the smell brought it all back. Right down to the Sunday morning first jump of the day when all the pickled eggs and beer farts would begin to make an appearance at 5K. Mix in a little toxic TexMex for flavor and you were lucky if you were sitting by the aft door. |
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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile
: §ñühw¤£f wrote in : In message , Bob Officer wrote: On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:31:50 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, §ñühw¤£f wrote: Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile : On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:31:29 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, §ñühw¤£f wrote: Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile : On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:20:16 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: §ñühw¤£f wrote in news:t96dnQfJw- : Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile : "Scott M. Kozel" wrote in news:gkvte8$eth$1 @news.motzarella.org: §ñühw¤£f wrote: I propose a technological solution to the problem of bird strikes: turboprops. Lets return to the good old days pre-jet engines. Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra example is a turboprop, the above poster apparently didn't realize that a turboprop engine has a jet engine. Discuss. The large piston engines were incredibly complex, and generally could drive airliners at only about half the speed of those with the pure jet engines. yes, but they were so much more fun Bertie Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles. Excellent. I'll sign on for a course. Yeah, think on that for a while. Its either that or the locomotive, chaps. Only if it's a real one. i.e. Steam No! Hell no! And what pray tell is wrong with steam? Steam locomotives? Everything. Well man spit it out! Lets not play guessing games here! Have you ever been on a working steam locomotive? Not while its running. They are very dirty (producing soot and ash. Very noisy. (usually about 90-105 dB. They get louder under full power) Yeap. Coal fired mostly. Most all locomotive engineers from the steam era were deaf. and suffered breathing problems. My granpa was one Deaf as hell but no breathing problems...he didnt know who the **** I was later since he was all alzheimersy & stuff. Most all locomotive engineers from the diesel era still suffer hearing loss. Most all operating employees for railroads with more than 10 years of service have some hearing loss. About ten years ago the railroads started losing lawsuits over hearing losses and started a hearing conservation program. Too bad it was 27 years too late. YEah...back in the day it was a macho job and you didnt **** & moan about the conditions. Biggest complaints from crews which still use those 1st and 2nd generation locomotives, noise and exhaust fumes in the cab. Ever seen a track weasel? Mm, no. I seem to remeber hearing the term, though. What is it? back in the olden days the trains toilet dumped straight onto the tracks...the TP that persisted was called a "track weasel". -- http://www.bds-palestine.net/?q=node/9 ___ ___ ___ ___ /\__\ /\ \ /\ \ /\ \ /:/ _/_ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ /:/ /\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ /:/ /::\ \ _____\:\ \ ___ \:\ \ ___ /::\ \ /:/_/:/\:\__\ /::::::::\__\ /\ \ \:\__\ /\ /:/\:\__\ \:\/:/ /:/ / \:\~~\~~\/__/ \:\ \ /:/ / \:\/:/ \/__/ \::/ /:/ / \:\ \ \:\ /:/ / \::/__/ \/_/:/ / \:\ \ \:\/:/ / \:\ \ /:/ / \:\__\ \::/ / \:\__\ |
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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile
: On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:36:12 -0700, in alt.usenet.kooks, §ñühw¤£f wrote: In message , Bob Officer wrote: On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:31:50 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, §ñühw¤£f wrote: Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile : On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:31:29 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, §ñühw¤£f wrote: Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile : On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:20:16 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: §ñühw¤£f wrote in news:t96dnQfJw- : Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile : "Scott M. Kozel" wrote in news:gkvte8$eth$1 : §ñühw¤£f wrote: I propose a technological solution to the problem of bird strikes: turboprops. Lets return to the good old days pre-jet engines. Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra example is a turboprop, the above poster apparently didn't realize that a turboprop engine has a jet engine. Discuss. The large piston engines were incredibly complex, and generally could drive airliners at only about half the speed of those with the pure jet engines. yes, but they were so much more fun Bertie Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles. Excellent. I'll sign on for a course. Yeah, think on that for a while. Its either that or the locomotive, chaps. Only if it's a real one. i.e. Steam No! Hell no! And what pray tell is wrong with steam? Steam locomotives? Everything. Well man spit it out! Lets not play guessing games here! Have you ever been on a working steam locomotive? Not while its running. I have. Didja get to be the shovelman? They are very dirty (producing soot and ash. Very noisy. (usually about 90-105 dB. They get louder under full power) Yeap. Coal fired mostly. One coal and everything else was oil. Leave us not forget *wood*...it was plentiful once across the country. Most all locomotive engineers from the steam era were deaf. and suffered breathing problems. My granpa was one So was mine, and so was my Dad. Go Union! Deaf as hell but no breathing problems...he didnt know who the **** I was later since he was all alzheimersy & stuff. My dad died from lung cancer (both Small Cell Carcinoma and Metastasized melanoma. Bummer...the smoke was it? Most all locomotive engineers from the diesel era still suffer hearing loss. Most all operating employees for railroads with more than 10 years of service have some hearing loss. About ten years ago the railroads started losing lawsuits over hearing losses and started a hearing conservation program. Too bad it was 27 years too late. YEah...back in the day it was a macho job and you didnt **** & moan about the conditions. The ****ed and moaned even then. I've listen to those guys all my life. no...they laughed at management...but as for crying about the conditions? No real railroader would complain "its too tough". Biggest complaints from crews which still use those 1st and 2nd generation locomotives, noise and exhaust fumes in the cab. Ever seen a track weasel? I seen just about everything. including the look on a kids face just after he finally looked up and saw the locomotive, just before it hit him. Ugh. Musta been a deaf kid. -- http://www.bds-palestine.net/?q=node/9 ___ ___ ___ ___ /\__\ /\ \ /\ \ /\ \ /:/ _/_ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ /:/ /\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ /:/ /::\ \ _____\:\ \ ___ \:\ \ ___ /::\ \ /:/_/:/\:\__\ /::::::::\__\ /\ \ \:\__\ /\ /:/\:\__\ \:\/:/ /:/ / \:\~~\~~\/__/ \:\ \ /:/ / \:\/:/ \/__/ \::/ /:/ / \:\ \ \:\ /:/ / \::/__/ \/_/:/ / \:\ \ \:\/:/ / \:\ \ /:/ / \:\__\ \::/ / \:\__\ |
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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
Aratzio pinched out a steaming pile
: On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:33:38 -0600, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks, §ñühw¤£f got double secret probation for writing: Aratzio pinched out a steaming pile : On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 09:24:17 -0600, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks, §ñühw¤£f got double secret probation for writing: Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile : "Scott M. Kozel" wrote in news:gkvte8$eth$1 : §ñühw¤£f wrote: I propose a technological solution to the problem of bird strikes: turboprops. Lets return to the good old days pre-jet engines. Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra example is a turboprop, the above poster apparently didn't realize that a turboprop engine has a jet engine. Discuss. The large piston engines were incredibly complex, and generally could drive airliners at only about half the speed of those with the pure jet engines. yes, but they were so much more fun Bertie Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles. Yeah, think on that for a while. Its either that or the locomotive, chaps. We gots ours! http://www.airshipventures.com Was watching it a few months ago doing patterns around Moffet field. Nice. Blimps do lousy in adverse wind conditions but who needs to travel anyway wehn teh weather is bad? ^_^ They fly a dirigible. Check out the placement of the engines. So they're side mounted. They dont make a blimp that can kickass in strong winds. Too Much Surface Area, fyi. -- http://www.bds-palestine.net/?q=node/9 ___ ___ ___ ___ /\__\ /\ \ /\ \ /\ \ /:/ _/_ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ /:/ /\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ /:/ /::\ \ _____\:\ \ ___ \:\ \ ___ /::\ \ /:/_/:/\:\__\ /::::::::\__\ /\ \ \:\__\ /\ /:/\:\__\ \:\/:/ /:/ / \:\~~\~~\/__/ \:\ \ /:/ / \:\/:/ \/__/ \::/ /:/ / \:\ \ \:\ /:/ / \::/__/ \/_/:/ / \:\ \ \:\/:/ / \:\ \ /:/ / \:\__\ \::/ / \:\__\ |
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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
Bob Officer wrote in
: On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 02:51:48 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Bob Officer wrote in m: On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:44:19 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: Bob Officer wrote in m: On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:37:04 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: "Scott M. Kozel" wrote in : Government Shill #2 wrote: George wrote: I wonder in this example why did the Electra stall and spin? From my very first lessons it was drilled into my head by all my instructors "WHEN THE ENGINE FAILS GET THE NOSE DOWN AND FLY THE AIRPLANE!" I wonder why the Electra didn't remain in a (somewhat) straight & level attitude? Was the crew too busy, confused, alarmed, to fly/glide the airplane? ISTR from reading Air Disasters by Macarthur Jobs, that the Electra crashed because the birds took out both engines on one side and the asymmetric thrust of the remaining engines could not be corrected by the available rudder authority. I may be wrong. It was a long time ago that I read about it. Plus the fact that it happened right after takeoff when it was just above stall speed. It wouldn't have been just above stal speed, it would have been just above V2 whihc would have been at least VSO 1.2 http://aviation-safety.net/database/...?id=19601004-0 A few seconds after taking off from runway 05, the Electra struck a flock of starlings. A number of these birds were ingested in engine no.1, 2 and 4. Engine no. 1 was shut down and the prop feathered. Shortly after that the no. 2 and 4 engines experienced a substantial momentary loss of power. This caused the plane to yaw to the left and decelerate to stall speed. The left wing then dropped, the nose pitched up and the L-188 rolled left into a spin and fell almost vertically into the water. PROBABLE CAUSE: "The unique and critical sequence of the loss and recovery of engine power following bird ingestion, resulting in loss of airspeed and control during takeoff. " Loss of airspeed due to the loss of three engines. The HP woudl have been attempting to maintain altitude with a speed trade and no thrust to spare. He would have entually hit VMC and rolled doing this. Just like Concorde.. No one can fault Scully. He has exactly the same number of take offs and landings. That he swam away from his last with no loss passengers and crew is a good thing. At the end of the day, tha's all that counts. There are those who would try and tamper with success, though. Evel fjukkers. We have an obscene name for them, so if any reader is of a timid disposition, they had best look away now. We call them.. Management pilots. We have those too on the railroad. They are generally called Accountants. At least they don;'t pretend to be engineers! They try... but generally get ignored. There is at least, some justice in this ol world. Bertie |
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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
ah wrote in news:4973fe28$0$57681 : Bertie the Bunyip wrote: ah wrote in anews.com: Bertie the Bunyip wrote: ah wrote in news:49728b5c$0$57670 : Bertie the Bunyip wrote: "Maxwell" #$$9#@%%%.^^^ wrote in news:%Focl.29929$H12.18354 @newsfe12.iad: "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message ... John wrote in news:32b8ee0b-1587-4404-a9f3-e33d06d50c51 @u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com: On Jan 15, 3:12 pm, Mxsmanic wrote: Kingfish writes: Holy smokes! CNN is reporting an airliner went down in the Hudson after departing LaGuardia. I heard something about birdstrikes, but can't imagine a double engine failure due to that(?) They sure picked a cold day to go swimming... Hope everybody is ok... Bird strikes are a leading cause of engine failure. Jet engines don't often fail all on their own. Well, according to http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...y_channel.jsp? channel=busav& id=news/eng08036.xml By the way, the study's authors noted that compressor stalls/surges account for two-thirds of the engine malfunctions in today's turbofans. This is a change from earlier generation turbine designs in which uncontained failures were the principal malfunction. Since stall/ surge is the primary engine malfunction, one would assume that it would be a regular item during initial, recurrent or simulator training. And yet, I cannot recall ever reviewing the matter or being exposed to a compressor stall/surge during a simulator session. I have, but only a couple of times and just to run through the drill.Most checklists just have you retarding the throttle and/or shutting down anyhow. Most times nowadays with high bypass fans it trashes the engine straight away, unlike the old JT8s and such which would fart away happily enough until you pulled the thrust lever back. Bertie Sounds like you, retarded and farting away. Awww, maxie make a witty! ROLF! Tie me kangaroo down, sport. What-ho, Squiffy? uh wwuh uh wwuh uh whiggga whigga whuh.. Cabbages on the ceiling, Ser! Rice in all the crevices. Makes a whole new meaning for "chop-stix", eh? -- ah |
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Maxie begins a new kook-out.were.... Airliner crashes into Hudson River after LGA departure
§ñühw¤£f wrote in
et: Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile : §ñühw¤£f wrote in : In message , Bob Officer wrote: On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:31:50 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, §ñühw¤£f wrote: Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile : On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:31:29 -0600, in alt.usenet.kooks, §ñühw¤£f wrote: Bob Officer pinched out a steaming pile : On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:20:16 +0000 (UTC), in alt.usenet.kooks, Bertie the Bunyip wrote: §ñühw¤£f wrote in news:t96dnQfJw- : Bertie the Bunyip pinched out a steaming pile : "Scott M. Kozel" wrote in news:gkvte8$eth$1 @news.motzarella.org: §ñühw¤£f wrote: I propose a technological solution to the problem of bird strikes: turboprops. Lets return to the good old days pre-jet engines. Well ... while the L-188 Lockheed Electra example is a turboprop, the above poster apparently didn't realize that a turboprop engine has a jet engine. Discuss. The large piston engines were incredibly complex, and generally could drive airliners at only about half the speed of those with the pure jet engines. yes, but they were so much more fun Bertie Ok ok...totally *genius* idea: dirigibles. Excellent. I'll sign on for a course. Yeah, think on that for a while. Its either that or the locomotive, chaps. Only if it's a real one. i.e. Steam No! Hell no! And what pray tell is wrong with steam? Steam locomotives? Everything. Well man spit it out! Lets not play guessing games here! Have you ever been on a working steam locomotive? Not while its running. They are very dirty (producing soot and ash. Very noisy. (usually about 90-105 dB. They get louder under full power) Yeap. Coal fired mostly. Most all locomotive engineers from the steam era were deaf. and suffered breathing problems. My granpa was one Deaf as hell but no breathing problems...he didnt know who the **** I was later since he was all alzheimersy & stuff. Most all locomotive engineers from the diesel era still suffer hearing loss. Most all operating employees for railroads with more than 10 years of service have some hearing loss. About ten years ago the railroads started losing lawsuits over hearing losses and started a hearing conservation program. Too bad it was 27 years too late. YEah...back in the day it was a macho job and you didnt **** & moan about the conditions. Biggest complaints from crews which still use those 1st and 2nd generation locomotives, noise and exhaust fumes in the cab. Ever seen a track weasel? Mm, no. I seem to remeber hearing the term, though. What is it? back in the olden days the trains toilet dumped straight onto the tracks...the TP that persisted was called a "track weasel". OK never heard of that. ANd now it's lodged in my head forever. When will I learn? Bertie |
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