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Sydney Hoeltzli wrote:
pac plyer wrote: I look at RAH just like a busy intercity freeway. Pac, with respect, I think this analogy is flawed... The function of a newsgroup is to exchange information. I think both of you are wrong. (Actually I think both of you are right, but saying so is not in the usenet tradition). The function of the newsgroup is primarily entertainment. Most use it for that. Occasionally someone needs an answer to a question, and usually it gets answered quickly. Then either the thread drifts into something completely unrelated but more engaging to the rabble (this thread, for example), or folks start up a more entertaining thread with nothing to do with anything important (see BWB's trolls). *** Mike |
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On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 09:19:36 -0500, Big John
wrote: Bob BWB never touched a Nuc weapon. They had programs that screened out kooks like him. Big John Point of the sword Big John, I knew Bill as far back as those days. We were in a lab in Las Vegas at the time, and also flew a lot together. I too doubt that Bill ever "touched" a nuke. Why in the **** would he want to do that? He was not a 'kook', and was not 'screened out'. Like me, he had an AEC "Q" clearance. Maybe he still does. This is a Top Seceret clearance, and his badge showed that he had access to a lot more areas than mine. Thought you might be interested. Regards, O-ring Seals |
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Sydney Hoeltzli wrote
The function of a newsgroup is to exchange information. Pac sez: (note, too tired to use a spell checker on this one.) Good post Sydney. No Snowbird, I agree with Mike (just what is a Nafod anyway?) :-) and Bob Reid on this one. The current function of a newsgroup is really multi-faceted: its entertainment and socializing, interupted by galactically stupid questions from mere mortals that have nothing better to do than interupt our fine conversations... he, he. ;-) But seriously, newbies simply need to phrase things in the form of a respectful question, some old fart with massive background in exactly that area may be lurking and will accomplish that sharing of info function you mentioned. If no one answers, keep trying or call EAA. snip good stuff As such, it functions more like a small town or a local community than a "busy intercity freeway". People need to get to know whose advice is generally sound and what other people's personal tics are. Some meet IRL and break bread together. The topics of conversations may vary, and a certain amount of off-topic stuff is inevitable, but some kind of social compact is necessary for the group to be able to serve its intended function. You allude to this yourself. snip Can't argue with that. There's a lot of on-ramps and off-ramps and you can access any part of it your heart desires. Suppose they happened to have gobs of experience flying and building, well, what good does it do anyone if instead of sharing it, they spend all their time and energy picking fights and being disruptive? Other experienced people are unable to share their experience or get disgusted by the atmosphere and leave. snip You and Bill have issues to be sure. Time to realize that RAH is not real. Why any day now Google's going to get a brass-tacks DBA manager who going to start eyeballing all that "unused" RAH storage space. And you know what? Those old posts are going to just go up in smoke, just like some of the old pre-Deja news stuff did. Why don't you two just bury the hatchet? My point is, and perhaps I mistake you, you seem to be on the one hand pointing out that there's no mechanism to edit content other than the "social compact" as it were -- individual choice to either post a "sharp reprisal" or to refuse to associate with an individual by killfiling them, and the sum of such individual choices. snip What's important to specify is that the "regulars" at least in this group, have, and in some cases continue to cheat death on a regular basis, in many cases for years on end. They have a greater breadth of background, say than someone who buys a helo for cash and assumes that the FAA is capable of watching over this highly questionable experimental offering. For one of the regulating regulars like BWB to point out "you're going to be a long time dead if you fly that thing" is ten times more valuable to a homebuilder then a hundred flowery writeups in the "Zoom Tunes Review" that are later reversed. snip And you're right. But, on the other hand, you seem to be criticizing Dan and "Big John" for pretty much doing as you say -- making a "sharp reprisal" against some stuff they don't like. If it's a "free newsgroup" where anything goes, aren't you playing "Netcop" yourself by critiquing them? snip snip Yeah, I just don't feel language or style is worthy of a witch hunt. Now if someone claims their new helo is flawless, and others know otherwise, that's different and disservant of sharp reprisal. Syd, I know you got burned pretty bad by the terminator and his new model. Third degree burns and all. Sorry. But thats not going to kill you. IMHO most of you need to be more like a duck: let that old water roll right down your back. From where I sit, the profanity issue is just not high on the list of what's wrong with aviation in America. John is a gentleman, and to him it's outrageous. The same is true with Dan (my appol. Dan if your reading this.) Bill, however, is a pirate in real life and on the net. To me, the diversity of the group is what makes it rich. Bill made some great posts Once Upon a Time. Like, more than 4 years ago. It seems pretty clear to me he's no longer willing or able to do so. Just how much "reckless driving" does your community tolerate from someone who used to be a contributing citizen? Do you believe in fairy tales? Well, in the Philippines, we all drink and drive and race all the time, and no pilot has ever really gotten hurt. RAH is a frontier. So, my answer is, do what I did for six years in the frontier: prop a beer up on the dashboard, and if you spill the damn thing, pull over, shut it down and catch a jeepney. BWB's been running you guys off the road and spilling beer on the dashboard for some time. When he gets this drinking and driving thing out of his system, like I did, I wager he will return to the old radioactive personality he used to be. In the mean time it really wouldn't hurt if you appologized to him for being such a know-it-all all the time. (costs nothing, even if its not true.) ;-) Best regards from Captain Know-it-All himself, pacplyer - over and out |
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Like me, he had an AEC "Q"
clearance. Maybe he still does. This is a Top Seceret clearance Tot to put too fine a point on this, but Q was AEC and Top Secret was DOD and nary the twain would meet. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 14:16:09 -0500, Big John
wrote: pac plyer ----clip---- If you are tired of reading a particular poster's style... then killfile .. filter him out. ----clip---- pacplyer! - out! Pacplyer I have 'plonked' BWB but all of 'you' keep including his filth in your posts back to him. Have you ever used the insert "----clip----"? I'm sure he knows what he wrote so you telling him back in your reply is redundant. Depending on your news reader, just mark the thread to be ignored. That is a real handy feature of agent. For some reason I turned on "read all messages" instead of just the unread ones. (I think it was to find the beginning of some thread), but anyways... I discovered threads still running that I had marked "ignore" over 6 months ago. LOL I have been looking for a program that will eliminate any quote of a individual after I 'plonk' him but haven't found one yet. I just plonk the thread. Usually once it reaches the point where I want to get rid of a poster I am about ready to get rid of the thread as well. Due to the variations of news readers and the way posters quote, or use quotes it'd be almost impossible to program a filter to remove the quoted text from just a specific poster when it is included. snip snip If you want 'filth' on the News Group, then I can forward some of the porno spam I get every day in my mail box, so you will have something to read when BWB isn't posting. Let me know. I have my e-mail set to display as text only so I never see any of those any more. Just about 15 adds for Viagra and another 15 or so that I know what I'd find if I did turn on HTML. :-)) Oh, and the 5 or 10, or 20 get rich quick schemes and the 4 or 5 South African scams and variations there of. Oh, and another 10 for a process that's supposed to help those who feel nature has left them at a disadvantage. :-)) Actually most of that stuff gets filtered to a [junk mail] folder where I just check it for false positives about once a week, which is about as often as I check the return address I use for posting. Sooo...if any one e-mails me direct off the newsgroups, I will answer, but it may take a while. So, I still only see about 5 or 6 spam a day unless I go count the ones that are automatically filtered out. I used the one address since 96 and never had more than 5 or 6 spam per day on average. Then about two months ago the flood gates opened and it went to 60. Now it's back down to about 30 and slowly getting less since I disabled HTML. Prior to two months ago, I could never figure out why people were complaining about so much spam. Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member) www.rogerhalstead.com N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2) Have a nice day and fly safe. Big John |
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You do not have to rise to the bait, you can ignor. In fact, the worst possible punishment for bad net behavior is to completely ignor the comments of obvious trolls. I remember how well that worked in one particular instance. Roger Corky Scott Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member) www.rogerhalstead.com N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2) |
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