Why airplanes fly

I guess I misinterpreted the following quote from your post to mean that
someone responding to Bertie's post would not be seen by you.

"You may even be responding to his post.

But I'll never see it. It's absolutely wonderful."

Um, since I was responding to a response (to Bertie), how did you think I
was able to pull that off, presuming that I couldn't see any responses?

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Yes there is. I've experimented with it and found it useless if the
objective sought is realistic aircraft control pressure feedback.
What it does do is create some "effects" for the user that are intended
to produce a more realistic experience, but in my opinion, the
technology falls way short of this goal.

In fact, my opinion of force feedback is so negative, I personally don't
use it.

--
Dudley Henriques-

That's my experience too. At first I really wanted force feedback.
However it's so inaccurate, and the motors make the thing all twitchy,
that only bad habits come of it.

Some company (not CH) makes joysticks and a flight yoke that don't use
potentiometers. They work better, apparently. Someone on the sim forum
could probably lead you to a controller that behaves well.

On 2008-02-09, romeomike wrote:
By not being willing to simply ignore what you don't like, you miss the
good stuff. You have apparently killfiled not only Bertie but any
response to him. Therefore, you miss not only the knowledgeable stuff
that is posted under his nome de plume but the discussions he has with
the likes of Dudley H. and others you respect. Don't tell me that there
is no worthwhile content there. These people are conversing with him.
Besides you killfiled him, so you don't see it.

I'm not Jay H, but I'll reply to this:

Yes, I killfiled Bertie. (And all of his recent morphs to evade killfiles;
that's a really annoying trick that's against many providers' TOS.) It was a
balancing choice. Yes, I'm going to miss his good posts. I'm also going to
miss the aggravation of dealing with his (many more, IMAO) posts where he
quotes 150 lines of argument to add one line of insult. The tradeoff is, for
me, positive. I don't have enough time to put up with that crap.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
http://www.hercules-390.org (Yes, that's me!)
Buy Hercules stuff at http://www.cafepress.com/hercules-390

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:XTurj.23560$yE1.11448@attbi_s21:

By not being willing to simply ignore what you don't like, you miss
the good stuff. You have apparently killfiled not only Bertie but any
response to him.

Untrue. Unfortunately, there is no way to killfile responses to
Bertie. (Or, if there is, I haven't figure out how to do it.)

Oh, that's because you're an idiot as well as a liar.


Therefore, you miss not only the knowledgeable stuff that is posted
under his nome de plume but the discussions he has with the likes of
Dudley H. and others you respect.

As noted above, this is untrue.

However, saying that Bertie has anything of value to contribute here
is like saying that Hitler made some accurate observations about the
Jews. Although that may well be true, the rest of the source message
is so distasteful as to devalue everything else he might say.


Gowin noted and x-posted to alt.usenet.kooks


Bertie

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:eBDrj.24170$yE1.10663@attbi_s21:

I guess I misinterpreted the following quote from your post to mean
that someone responding to Bertie's post would not be seen by you.

"You may even be responding to his post.

But I'll never see it. It's absolutely wonderful."

Um, since I was responding to a response (to Bertie), how did you
think I was able to pull that off, presuming that I couldn't see any
responses?

;-)



Evasion noted.


You just dont know when to stop, do you Jay?


Bertie

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:4ADrj.24166$yE1.7567@attbi_s21:

However, saying that Bertie has anything of value to contribute here
is like saying that Hitler made some accurate observations about the
Jews. Although that may well be true,

I'm curious...which of Hitler's observations about the Jews were
"accurate" in your opinion?

None of them. It was a metaphor, meant to illustrate precisely how
bad Bertie is for this group.



Funny, I see you as being precisely as bad for the group..


Bertie

buttman wrote in
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On Feb 9, 4:15 pm, "Morgans" wrote:
"buttman" wrote



sheesh, it's just an internet discussion group. lighten up a
little?

THAT's funny.

You, telling me to not worry, and let free speech be, on a discussion
group.

And, at the same time, advise me to stop saying what I have been
saying.

Yep, this one's a keeper, for sure!
--
Jim in NC

What makes you think I'm telling you to stop saying what you've been
saying? If you want to work yourself up into stomach ulcers over
another person making posts on an internet forum, then be my guest.
I'm just here giving you a bit of advise; it may not be worth it.

PKB


Bertie

buttman wrote in
:

On Feb 9, 4:18 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
buttman wrote
innews:624b74ff-d5c1-4422-8fbe-

om:



On Feb 8, 2:25 pm, "Morgans" wrote:
"Michael Ash" wrote

Other examples abound. Just because he is well-spoken and
doesn't swear doesn't make him nice. In fact in some ways it
makes it worse, because it's all part of a manner which is used
to make him look like the victim when he comes along and insults
all of these fine people with vastly more knowledge and
experience than himself (and more than me).

Exactly.

His presence here is an insult to all people that have found this
forum to be of value to them.

Everyone should be wise enough to realize this, and start treating
him like "he whose name must not be spoken."

Hell, I think I would rather have the "he whose name must not be
spoken" back, and MX gone. At least the other one was not playing
games with the group. You knew where he stood. In reality.

Yep, I'm sure of it. I'll vote for the switch.
--
Jim in NC

sheesh, it's just an internet discussion group. lighten up a
little?

Bwawahwhahwhahwhahwhahwhawhahhwahhwhawhahwhhahawha hwhahwh!

Bertie

Bwawahwhahwhahwhahwhahwhawhahhwahhwhawhahwhhahawha hwhahwh!


Nope. You dun it worng, fjukkwit.


Bertie

Jay Maynard wrote in
:

On 2008-02-09, romeomike wrote:
By not being willing to simply ignore what you don't like, you miss
the good stuff. You have apparently killfiled not only Bertie but any
response to him. Therefore, you miss not only the knowledgeable stuff
that is posted under his nome de plume but the discussions he has
with the likes of Dudley H. and others you respect. Don't tell me
that there is no worthwhile content there. These people are
conversing with him. Besides you killfiled him, so you don't see it.

I'm not Jay H, but I'll reply to this:

Yes, I killfiled Bertie. (And all of his recent morphs to evade
killfiles; that's a really annoying trick that's against many
providers' TOS.)

Not mine.


It was a balancing choice. Yes, I'm going to miss his
good posts. I'm also going to miss the aggravation of dealing with his
(many more, IMAO) posts where he quotes 150 lines of argument to add
one line of insult. The tradeoff is, for me, positive. I don't have
enough time to put up with that crap.



Not a problem for me.


Bertie

Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

Blueskies wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...

After the student learns in the actual airplane to think of control
use in terms of pressure rather than movement in a direction, and
after solo, I find no harm in going back to the sim for use as a
training aid.


--
Dudley Henriques


Speaking of pressure, is there some sort of yoke interface for PCs
that includes force feedback? Something where the controls stiffen
with speed and out of trim conditions? Never seen anything like that
on any I have messed with. There was a really nice $100,000 set up at
OSH with two projectors on a curved screen that was very realistic,
but I don't think it had force feed back either...


Yes there is. I've experimented with it and found it useless if the
objective sought is realistic aircraft control pressure feedback.
What it does do is create some "effects" for the user that are
intended to produce a more realistic experience, but in my opinion,
the technology falls way short of this goal.

In fact, my opinion of force feedback is so negative, I personally
don't use it.


Yes. I've trid it and the home sim feedback systems are a joke. Even
sophisticated sims aren't great this way and I still can't see even the
most sophisticated sims being anything more than an aid in teaching
procedures.


Bertie