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From: (ArtKramr)
Date: 9/7/2004 8:38 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard? From: (B2431) Date: 9/7/2004 1:52 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: I'll bet he saw more combat than you did and he flew C-54s. A C-54 is not a combat aircraft. Seeing "action" implies that you have done harm to the enemy. You can't do harm to the enemy in an unarmed airliner. Flying combat airccraft is one thing, Flying airliners is something else. Arthur Kramer So if a cargo aircraft is shot down it wasn't lost in action? Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired |
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Art,
You were 10,000 feet above the tip of the spear - and then for only 30 seconds. The rest of the time you were a passenger on a bus being taken care of by the rest of the crew. I know because you explained it to me in your response to my early post... Jack G. There is the tip of the spear. Then there is everything else. The very best are at the tip of the spear. Where were you? Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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"ArtKramr" wrote
There is the tip of the spear. Then there is everything else. The very best are at the tip of the spear. Where were you? During my later years of service, I was in the bunker telling the tips where I wanted them, and they said "Yes Sir, three bags full!" I didn't really care if they were the best, because they were all I had, and we'd make adjustments anyway. Qualified and able, that was my standard. Baa, baa, black sheep Have you any wool? Yes sir, yes sir, three bags full! One for my master, One for my dame, And one for the little boy Who lives down the lane. |
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"B2431" wrote in message ... From: (ArtKramr) Date: 9/6/2004 6:59 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard? From: Ian MacLure Date: 9/6/2004 4:42 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: (ArtKramr) wrote in : Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard? From: "Kevin Brooks" Date: 9/6/2004 2:02 PM Pacifi -again. You could not have joined the reserves in 1943. They had been federalized and mobilized almost three years earlier. Historical fact In 1943 I joined the Army Air Corps and went to war. When did you go to war you cowardly piece of lying crap? Never. Right?. My cousin joined up in 1941. I'll bet he saw more combat than you did and he flew C-54s. So now you are taking credit for your cousins military action while you did nothin? What a fraud eouy are. And he flew C-54's in WW II? How did he do that? What was his unit?. What theatre. If he flew C-54's in WW II he didn't ****.You are just another dumb wannewabbee telling combat veterans what it was really like. Arthur Kramer Art, show where he took credit or told you how combat really was. I will watch with great interest for your answer. Dan, you must be one incredibly bored person if you are reduced to waiting for that answer "with great interest". |
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From: "John Keeney"
Date: 9/8/2004 1:08 AM Central Daylight Time Message-id: "B2431" wrote in message ... From: (ArtKramr) Date: 9/6/2004 6:59 PM Central Daylight Time Message-id: Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard? From: Ian MacLure Date: 9/6/2004 4:42 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: (ArtKramr) wrote in : Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard? From: "Kevin Brooks" Date: 9/6/2004 2:02 PM Pacifi -again. You could not have joined the reserves in 1943. They had been federalized and mobilized almost three years earlier. Historical fact In 1943 I joined the Army Air Corps and went to war. When did you go to war you cowardly piece of lying crap? Never. Right?. My cousin joined up in 1941. I'll bet he saw more combat than you did and he flew C-54s. So now you are taking credit for your cousins military action while you did nothin? What a fraud eouy are. And he flew C-54's in WW II? How did he do that? What was his unit?. What theatre. If he flew C-54's in WW II he didn't ****.You are just another dumb wannewabbee telling combat veterans what it was really like. Arthur Kramer Art, show where he took credit or told you how combat really was. I will watch with great interest for your answer. Dan, you must be one incredibly bored person if you are reduced to waiting for that answer "with great interest". It's a line from Fail Safe which I was watching at the time. I know he will never answer the question. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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ArtKramr wrote:
Subject: Why did Bush join the national guard? From: "Jack G" Date: 9/7/2004 7:54 PM Pacific Art, Being a bombadeer / navigator is not like piloting anything. Admit it Art, you were a just a crew member on an airplane flown by a real pilot. Do you know why they have pilots on bombers? Just for one reason which was to put a bombardier over a target for 30 seconds. Do you know why they have gunners on a bomber? Just one reason. To protect that bombardier and get him over the target for 30 seconds. Do you know why they have fighter cover? Just to get a bombardier over a target for 30 seconds. The pilot is only a bus driver to deliver him where he can hurt the enemy. So don't make too big a deal of pilots . Some are good and some are not..If you get one who can fly a good bomb run, not dump your gyro and keep the wings level so you don't dump bombs all over the landscape, you are lucky.But good bomb run pilots are not all that easy to find. And as far as judging pilots performance on a bomb run, no one is more qualified to make that judgement than a bombardier. But this is a subject you would know nothing about. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer Wow! Tell that to Paul Shorts face! Get rid of all the useless people and how does the bombardier get to the target?? |
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Do you know why they have pilots on bombers? Just for one reason which was to put a bombardier over a target for 30 seconds. Every bomber required at least one pilot, but not every bomber required a bombardier. The pilot is only a bus driver to deliver him where he can hurt the enemy. So don't make too big a deal of pilots . Some are good and some are not..If you get one who can fly a good bomb run, not dump your gyro and keep the wings level so you don't dump bombs all over the landscape, you are lucky.But good bomb run pilots are not all that easy to find. And as far as judging pilots performance on a bomb run, no one is more qualified to make that judgement than a bombardier. But this is a subject you would know nothing about. Sounds like you're bitter over washing out of pilot training and being made a bombardier. |
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ubject: Why did Bush join the national guard?
From: "Jack G" Date: 9/7/2004 9:46 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: n8w%c.6743$Q44.2546@trnddc09 Do you know why they have pilots on bombers? Just for one reason which was to put a bombardier over a target for 30 seconds. Do you know why they have gunners on a bomber? Just one reason. To protect that bombardier and get him over the target for 30 seconds. Do you know why they have fighter cover? Just to get a bombardier over a target for 30 seconds. The pilot is only a bus driver to deliver him where he can hurt the enemy. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: The incredibly small world of Mr. Kramer just got a lot smaller. Kind of sad watching him self-destruct... Jack G. Jealousy is a terrible thing Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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