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Friday 072707 in Oshkosh Pt 1 - the Raptor [01/30] - "F22 lifting off 18 after very short takeoff roll.jpg" yEnc (0/1)
EAA didn't save the star of the show for last, and neither will I. The F22 Raptor put on a show that was mightily impressive, even though without some of the tricks in the Air Force's video. Following that, it joined up with a P38 (the famed Glacier Girl--one of TWO at Oshkosh this year) and an F86. Tomorrow perhaps the C17 and B2 |
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Friday 072707 in Oshkosh Pt 1 - the Raptor [01/30] - "F22 lifting off 18 after very short takeoff roll.jpg" yEnc (0/1)
If you have not got the message yet, Please take this yNec crap somewhere
else. -- John Crawford Everything I Like Is either immoral, Illegal, or Fattening |
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Friday 072707 in Oshkosh Pt 1 - the Raptor [01/30] - "F22 lifting off 18 after very short takeoff roll.jpg" yEnc (0/1)
On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 06:00:00 GMT, "John Crawford"
wrote: If you have not got the message yet, Please take this yNec crap somewhere else. Judging from the posts, quite a few folks here are fine with yEnc (or as dyslexics call it, yNec). Since it isn't blocked in the group's title, and nobody has produced a charter that says yEnc'ed pix aren't welcome, I'll continue taking up what little space I take up (look at my file sizes, fercrissake) doing what I please so long as I'm posting aviation pictures (or maybe pictures of nekkid wimmin in/near/on airplanes) . The fact that only some people choose to be able to view them certainly doesn't mean they don't belong in the group. |
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Friday 072707 in Oshkosh Pt 1 - the Raptor [01/30] - "F22 liftingoff 18 after very short takeoff roll.jpg" yEnc (0/1)
Just Plane Noise wrote:
Since it isn't blocked in the group's title, and nobody has produced a charter that says yEnc'ed pix aren't welcome, I'll continue taking up what little space I take up (look at my file sizes, fercrissake) doing what I please so long as I'm posting aviation pictures (or maybe pictures of nekkid wimmin in/near/on airplanes) . The fact that only some people choose to be able to view them certainly doesn't mean they don't belong in the group. PLEASE READ THE GUIDE Point # 8 voted on by the group a couple of years ago.. The objective of this Guide is provide posting and behavioral guidelines within the ALT.BINARIES.PICTURES.AVIATION newsgroup (ABPA). It is NOT LAW. Because this NG is self-moderated,users who ignore this Guide can expect comments from other users. Serial defaulters may attract stronger comments and/or be "kill filtered" or "Plonked" by regular users. Therefore, if you wish your aviation pictures to be appreciated by visitors, and regulars in this newsgroup, it is to your advantage to follow these guidelines. 1. The purpose of the ABPA is to share photos of aircraft, information regarding aviation related events, stories about aircraft that are featured in this Newsgroup and, above all, to share our passion for aircraft with like-minded people regardless of nationality, race or religion. 2. The ABPA is entirely self moderated, and there is no formal membership criteria, or governing board. Members are free to come and go as they wish - to contribute, or not, is entirely voluntary. No one should feel forced to contribute to the group, and no one should feel intimidated by the group. 3. Users of the ABPA are legally and personally responsible for any images they post, particularly regarding copyright issues and suitability. As many members of the group post images that they have taken themselves, they do occasionally get rather upset when others post their images either without permission, or with copyright logos removed. All photographers have their own ideas regarding the usage of their images, and if in doubt about the use of in image we request that you please ask before either posting or reusing an original image. 4. This Guide will be amended as the need arises. Suggestions for any changes should be posted to the Newsgroup. Any changes receiving general agreement following a discussion will then be included. Posting Guidelines 1. Aviation Only. The ABPA is dedicated to aviation orientated subjects. However, there are no restrictions upon the specific types of aircraft images that can be posted to the group. Given that non aviation subjects frequently appear at air shows and in museums, we ask that you use the following example of an acceptable posting... That really cool looking restored tank featured at the annual air show is a credit to everyone involved. So in the context of a series of 30 or more aviation related images regarding an air show, with 2 or 3 featuring the really cool tank are acceptable. On the other hand posting a series of 30 images of non aviation subjects at the air show with only 1 or 2 aircraft is not acceptable. 2. NO Blatantly Obvious Pornography... Posters are STRONGLY REQUESTED TO REFRAIN FROM POSTING OBVIOUSLY pornographic images. A simple nude standing in front of an airplane is one thing, seeing a girl playing with her #$% is another. Images featuring nudes in a non-pornographic way, and STILL IN THE CONTEXT OF AVIATION, are acceptable and will be referred to as Nude-Hangar Queens (or Kings). Therefore, the group would appreciate the wording Nude-Hangar Queen (or King) within the image's description. The only exceptions to this would something like the nose art on say a WWII bomber which can be a touch racy. 3. No Multimedia or Multi-Part files.... As the name implies, this Newsgroup is for posting "Binaries Pictures Aviation", that is, photos, and artworks relating to aviation. Multimedia, video clips and sound files are not welcome here, mainly due to bandwidth requirements. However references to multimedia aviation related postings in the NG alt.binaries.multimedia.aviation, and other newsgroups, or on a website are acceptable in this Newsgroup. The reason Multi-part attachments are discouraged is that some news servers may lose a portion of the messages, and some news readers are not able to assemble the parts properly. 4. Image Size.... Many visitors and posters have slow dial-up internet connections and/or are download limited, which makes it difficult to view large attachments (400Kb plus). File sizes in the range 100 to 300Kb in JPEG format generally give adequate resolution. If viewers would like a picture at higher resolution they should check with the poster by email. 5. Image Descriptions are strongly encouraged for ALL IMAGES. Large numbers of files (plus 10) without a description of what the image is, or index image displaying the images in the series, is not considered an acceptable posting. If your favorite aviation subject is civil airliners for example, few things will match the frustration you feel when you unknowingly download 30 images of some WWII warbirds. Granted the logical thing to do is grab a couple first, but if it was an event where both types of aircraft are featured what then? For this reason the use of one of the very popular freeware image index programs is encouraged, failing that at the very least please include a reasonable description of the image. This also has the added advantage of making it easier to track comments made about your images, and identifying a particular series of images to the group. 6. Large Floods of images... Floods of images should be restricted to approx. 50 images per day. We as a group would prefer to see them over several days, rather than all at one time. Doing so, and keeping the images to a size of about 300k, or less enables other posters to post groups of images. Part of the reason for this is that many local servers have a limited retention based upon size. For example; if you post a flood of 300 or more images all in the 500k range at 1:00am, and then at 10:00am someone else does the same thing, and yet a third person posts at 10:00pm. On some of the smaller servers someone is either not going to see their images posted until the next day, or possibly have images bounced off of the NG. For people using independent newsgroup servers this is not a problem, however for many of the smaller servers it can be. 7. NO Political, social, or religious discussions of ANY sort... We all have our opinions regarding religion, social issues, and politics. However given the strong emotions that these types of discussion frequent cause IT IS STRONGLY preferred that members DO NOT engage in these types of debates with the newsgroup ABPA. Besides if you check the title of this Newsgroup there is not a mention of politics, social issues, or religion within it. Wishing someone a well meaning nationalistic or religious message such as Happy 4th of July, Merry Christmas, Happy Chanukah etc. is however considered acceptable... 8. YENC - is NOT Acceptable. Yenc encoding is not yet standardized, so there are different versions in use and many news readers do not recognize any of them. The same applies to any other non-standard posting formats. To avoid upset, please use only the standard UU-Encoding when posting your pictures. Besides, if you are looking for discussion, or conversation regarding an image, you are far more likely obtain it with a standard format posting, rather than a non-standard one. To be fair about it, if Yenc or some other method does become a recognized standard then this will quickly be amended. 9. No HTML within postings... The Usenet service (newsgroups) has traditionally been text-based, and most dedicated news readers still are. However, since Outlook Express and the major browsers have been able to access newsgroups, and their format of choice is HTML, many users are posting to the newsgroups in HTML format. Unfortunately, this means that all the cool looking fancy backgrounds, special characters, bold or multi-colored fonts, inserted lines or other effects appear as dozens of lines of seemingly unintelligible characters interspaced with a few lines of text to those who still use text-based readers. As a courtesy to these people it is suggested that you refrain from posting in HTML if possible. 10. NO Inflammatory Remarks (Flaming) Deliberately making derogatory or inflammatory remarks (often referred to as "flaming") about people posting to the ABPA, and/or any aspect of their postings, WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. This does NOT include comments such as: (a) Constructive criticisms or suggestions as to how to improve someone's images (however, saying a person's posting is nothing but crap is not acceptable), (b) Corrections to miss-identification of aircraft, pilots etc... (c) Corrections to obviously innocent mistakes. Harsh, or insulting criticism about simple mistakes, or a less-than professional picture, when not deserved, can be particularly disturbing to newbies who may never return to the Group. Let us try to maintain the friendly atmosphere that has been established in ABPA over many years. 11. When responding to a LONG posting.... It is requested that you restrict the reposted text to only those parts that are pertinent to your response. Reposting an entire message when responding to a long posting not only clutters the system up but is also a discourtesy to those trying to read your contribution. We all make this mistake now and again, however if, and when you do, please don't be offended if you receive a GENTLE Chastisement from the other members of the group. Conclusion... Newbies to the group are encouraged to "lurk" for a few days BEFORE posting images... Doing this will help you get a feel for how the group operates, and what is considered acceptable behavior. Above all else though if you have a question, or are unsure about an issue PLEASE ASK!!! You will find that most members of the group are reasonably friendly, and very eager to help new posters. None of these rules are chiseled in stone, and there will always be exceptions. This guide intended to be just a guide and nothing more.. The group at large asks that the spirit of this text be adhered to. This Guide is applicable ONLY TO THE NEWSGROUP alt.binaries.aviation.pictures, other newsgroups may OR MAY NOT have similar guidelines. Above all else we encourage everyone who enjoys the subject of aviation to participate, and use the guide to everyone's advantage. Thank you, The participants of the newsgroup ALT.BINARIES.PICTURES.AVIATION.... Questions or comments about this guide should be submitted to the newsgroup Alt.Binaries.Pictures.Aviation |
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Friday 072707 in Oshkosh Pt 1 - the Raptor [01/30] - "F22 lifting off 18 after very short takeoff roll.jpg" yEnc (0/1)
On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 08:24:45 GMT, Maple1 wrote:
PLEASE READ THE GUIDE Point # 8 voted on by the group a couple of years ago.. The objective of this Guide is provide posting and behavioral guidelines within the ALT.BINARIES.PICTURES.AVIATION newsgroup (ABPA). It is NOT LAW. Because this NG is self-moderated,users who ignore this Guide can expect comments from other users. Serial defaulters may attract stronger comments and/or be "kill filtered" or "Plonked" by regular users. Therefore, if you wish your aviation pictures to be appreciated by visitors, and regulars in this newsgroup, it is to your advantage to follow these guidelines. Strong comments don't bother me. Neither do "votes" by an amorphous and constantly changing body that were taken "a couple of years ago", which is a long time in modern technology. I actively encourage people who don't like my chosen method of encoding to "kill filter" or "plonk" my posts. The fact that anybody actually thinks that is a sanction shows what a weird world the Internet is. I looked back over the last 3 or 4 months of posts, and found that most batch posts had files bigger and often 2-3 times as big as my typical file, yet mine are almost all 1280 X 1024 images and the quality is quite good. Among the batches I checked were photos marked Fairford, Aalborg, Aviation Appreciation BBQ, Fantasy of Flight, Jaguars Retire, Shawsbury, Pt. Magu (sic). I am not even remotely critical of those posts--I'm just pointing out that yEnc doesn't make files nearly as big as UU. RustY posted two samples to this group back in April comparing the two encoding methods on the same file, and he was surprised by just how big the size difference was. However, I'd be lying if I said I used yEnc for size reasons. I use it because it is convenient--when PowerPost went from UU to yEnc, I didn't have to learn anything new, so I was (and am) fine with it.. Complainers seem to want me to do something inconvenient for me so as not to impact their convenience. Not going to happen. Now, as far as I can tell, the central argument below does not hold. I have been posting yEnc files without even thinking about it in many groups ever since PowerPost went yEnc. NOT ONCE have a read a complaint from someone with a yEnc-enabled reader that they couldn't decode my particular yEnc files. So whatever version PowerPost uses apparently does not cause problems. TO those who enjoy my files, there will be more to come until I'm done for the year (I only do Oshkosh). To those who can't or don't or won't, trust me, your life will be just as good or bad as it was with or without my files, and no damage has been done to you exept in your own mind (but who knows--given the increasingly litigious nature of this society, I'm sure some actually think they've been hurt in some fashion). 8. YENC - is NOT Acceptable. Yenc encoding is not yet standardized, so there are different versions in use and many news readers do not recognize any of them. The same applies to any other non-standard posting formats. To avoid upset, please use only the standard UU-Encoding when posting your pictures. Besides, if you are looking for discussion, or conversation regarding an image, you are far more likely obtain it with a standard format posting, rather than a non-standard one. To be fair about it, if Yenc or some other method does become a recognized standard then this will quickly be amended. |
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Friday 072707 in Oshkosh Pt 1 - the Raptor [01/30] - "F22 lifting off 18 after very short takeoff roll.jpg" yEnc (0/1)
Why such aggro from usually calm and reasoned individuals - read, ignore or killfile, Lets just enjoy the most excellent photos posted here. ---------------- And for those care (probably none) here is my take on the discussion. Given the retention levels of the group ( I can easily get posts made back in March), given the relative inexpense of disk space (size available on newsgroup servers), given the numbers of people using broadband access to the internet and given that ALL newsreaders can view UU encoding why is Yenc gods gift to posting when the odd 100KB saving is peanuts in the scheme of things? Surely the posting of files over 1500KB or multipart files is more of a concern - thankfully we only rarely get these and usually by accident. While I can accept that those on dialup need small files to reduce download time I think the saving made by Yenc is hardly worth the argument these days. I think Yenc followers are more motivated by an almost phobic fear/hatred of anything Microsoft which to a very very small degree I can understand. Personally I can view Yenc seamlessly in OE because I wanted that ability, however having tried many alternative viewers I have yet to find one that works as simply/easily as OE and have not found one that works as I want it to. Indeed some I tried are so unnecessarily complex as to be virtually unusable and one or two have almost screwed my system. Given that Yenc is now getting a bit long in the tooth and has still not achieved universal usage, I feel we should all be using UU as the system viewable by the greatest majority whilst awaiting the new WMP format or its successor which will in all probability make Yenc totally obsolete within a very short time scale. -- Andrew "Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible." (Lord Kelvin, president, Royal Society, 1895.) |
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What are you really trying to accomplish
I for one really don't care if you post in Jpeg, YEnc, or finger-painting.
However, I occasionally post pics here to SHARE with others of the same interest, and occaisionally to show off my "hopefully" improving photography skills. With that said, I am interested in making my posts available to the widest possible audience. yEnc might indeed be a better way to compress and post picture files.... so what? Isn't the point of posting your photo's to share it with a wide audience? yEnc is, for the most part, more difficult to use. The masses tend to use only a few popular programs for news groups (yes.. the most popular is OE). It sure seems silly, and a grand waste of time, to insist on posting in a format that the VAST majority of your audience cannot access. It realy doesn't waste my time.... but it sure seems like a waste of yours... It's funny too, that most people who act like such big shots on an anonymous forum would probably crap themselves trying to mount the courage to speak this way to each other in person. Like I said, yEnc, Jpeg, fingerpaint.... whatever makes you happy.... It just seems so...... dumb. Glen in Orlando |
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Friday 072707 in Oshkosh Pt 1 - the Raptor [01/30] - "F22 lifting off 18 after very short takeoff roll.jpg" yEnc (0/1)
Maple1 wrote in :
... Questions or comments about this guide should be submitted to the newsgroup Alt.Binaries.Pictures.Aviation Only problem with these Guidelines is they are in reality unenforcable and other than individuals killfiling in other words blocking their own access to the posts ofthe person they want to sanction there are no real action that can apply vis-a-vis the "violators" of the said guidlines. Niether you nor I......or for that matter anyone can block posting or downloading in an open forum like this. So we just have to learn to get along "Breath in, Breath out, Move on"-- Jimmy Buffett BTW I don't use yEnc but I can download it also I find you photography very good. keep it up |
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Friday 072707 in Oshkosh Pt 1 - the Raptor [01/30] - "F22 lifting off 18 after very short takeoff roll.jpg" yEnc (0/1)
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