50% of NAZI oil was supplied from US

Stuart Wilkes wrote:

"Snuffy Smith" wrote in message et...

Don't forget to tell us about all the raw materials Uncle Joe sent to Nazi
Germany.

As well as the raw materials the US sent to Japan.

Stuart Wilkes

Did the US have a pact with Japan, similar to the Stalin Hitler,
Molotov Ribbentrop pact to divide Europe between them?

From: "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj"
Date: 10/22/2003 1:48 PM Central Daylight Time
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Stuart Wilkes wrote:

"Snuffy Smith" wrote in message
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Don't forget to tell us about all the raw materials Uncle Joe sent to Nazi
Germany.

As well as the raw materials the US sent to Japan.

Stuart Wilkes

Did the US have a pact with Japan, similar to the Stalin Hitler,
Molotov Ribbentrop pact to divide Europe between them?


The U.S. cut off raw material shipments to Japan as a result Japan's
misbehaviour in China. The Japanese rationale for attacking the U.S. was to
ensure they could take the Dutch oil fields, the Philipines etc uninterrupted
for control of their resources. Estimates were Japan had about 6 months before
running out of strategic resources at the time of Pearl Harbour.

My personal opinion is the Pearl Harbour attacks were a waste of time since
Japan could have expanded into the areas without much more than a yell or two
from the U.S..

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj wrote:
Stuart Wilkes wrote:

"Snuffy Smith" wrote in message
et...

Don't forget to tell us about all the raw materials Uncle Joe sent
to Nazi Germany.

As well as the raw materials the US sent to Japan.

Stuart Wilkes

Did the US have a pact with Japan, similar to the Stalin Hitler,
Molotov Ribbentrop pact to divide Europe between them?

Uh, no.


--
Nik Simpson

Subject: 50% of NAZI oil was supplied from US
From: "Nik Simpson"
Date: 10/22/03 1:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time

As well as the raw materials the US sent to Japan.

Stuart Wilkes

The 3rd Ave EL was sold to Japan as scrap metal.We got it all back from the air
at Pearl. No charge,

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" wrote in message ...
Stuart Wilkes wrote:

"Snuffy Smith" wrote in message et...

Don't forget to tell us about all the raw materials Uncle Joe sent to Nazi
Germany.

As well as the raw materials the US sent to Japan.

Stuart Wilkes

Did the US have a pact with Japan, similar to the Stalin Hitler,
Molotov Ribbentrop pact to divide Europe between them?

No. The US government had no particular interest in dividing Mongolia
and Siberia with Japan. Mongolia and Siberia are not particularly
feasable routes if a Japanese government has the intention of
attacking the US. And the Japanese attacks on the Soviets and
Mongolia drew no adverse reaction from the US.

Stuart Wilkes

(ArtKramr) Wrote:

Still have the original negs around somewhere. Hits on tank farms were
always spectacular. You never have to wonder about the results of the mission.


I bet the resolution is great. Those large format cameras give pretty
spectacular results. I usually work with 16mm gun camera films (which used a
darn good film in a very poor camera). But I occasionally do a restoration or
scan and print of a large format still and I'm always amazed at the detail I
can find when I go for the very high enlargement.

-- Charlie Springer

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(B2431) wrote:

From: "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj"
Date: 10/22/2003 1:48 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Stuart Wilkes wrote:

The U.S. cut off raw material shipments to Japan as a result Japan's
misbehaviour in China. The Japanese rationale for attacking the U.S. was to
ensure they could take the Dutch oil fields, the Philipines etc uninterrupted
for control of their resources. Estimates were Japan had about 6 months before
running out of strategic resources at the time of Pearl Harbour.

My personal opinion is the Pearl Harbour attacks were a waste of time since
Japan could have expanded into the areas without much more than a yell or two
from the U.S..

Japan didn't think so, largely because raw materials that they needed to
continue expanding into Asia had been embargoed by the U.S. On top of
that, neither the Brits nor the Dutch were likely to stand aside and let
Japan take over the Dutch East Indies oil fields.

Stuart Wilkes wrote:

"Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" wrote in message ...

Stuart Wilkes wrote:


"Snuffy Smith" wrote in message et...


Don't forget to tell us about all the raw materials Uncle Joe sent to Nazi
Germany.

As well as the raw materials the US sent to Japan.

Stuart Wilkes


Did the US have a pact with Japan, similar to the Stalin Hitler,
Molotov Ribbentrop pact to divide Europe between them?


No. The US government had no particular interest in dividing Mongolia
and Siberia with Japan. Mongolia and Siberia are not particularly
feasable routes if a Japanese government has the intention of
attacking the US. And the Japanese attacks on the Soviets and
Mongolia drew no adverse reaction from the US.

Stuart Wilkes

Regarding your assertion equating pre 1941 US Japan trade with
soviet assistance to Hitlers reich.
Wasn't there an embargo placed on shipments of steel between
the two countries, as well as access to oil?
How does this support your implications?
--
Rostyk

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My personal opinion is the Pearl Harbour attacks were a waste of time since
Japan could have expanded into the areas without much more than a yell or
two
from the U.S..

Japan didn't think so, largely because raw materials that they needed to
continue expanding into Asia had been embargoed by the U.S. On top of
that, neither the Brits nor the Dutch were likely to stand aside and let
Japan take over the Dutch East Indies oil fields.

OK, I may not have been clear. I was referring to U.S. reaction. As for the
British and Dutch forces actual events showed the Japanese had the ability to
handle them.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

"B2431" wrote in message
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OK, I may not have been clear. I was referring to U.S. reaction. As for
the
British and Dutch forces actual events showed the Japanese had the ability
to
handle them.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired



The problem for the Japanese was that with US forces in
the Phillipines the Americans were in a position to interdict
supplies from the NEI to the home islands.

They had noted the US buildup and were well aware that
within a year or two they would be simply unable to take
out those bases and would be almost out of oil since
they had at best 2 years oil supplies on hand and it would
take that long to restore the NEI fields to production
and produce enough tankers to move that production.

The Japanese had not only been dependent on US oil
but US tankers to transport it.

Keith