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FW: Article "DHS Wants GA Aircraft Screened Before Flights To U.S."
Just got this today in e-mail, forwarded from an Aviation Daily piece.
I imagine this should **** of a few people. ========================== DHS Wants GA Aircraft Screened Before Flights To U.S. The Dept. of Homeland Security plans to extend the security requirements now applicable to Part 135 charter operators to a wider range of general aviation operators and also wants GA aircraft and passengers flying into the U.S. to undergo security screening before takeoff, DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff said Monday. Appearing at an Aviation Business Roundtable sponsored by the National Air Transportation Association, Chertoff told the gathering of about 60 executives from charter, FBO and fuel companies that charter and private aircraft flights are becoming cheaper and available to more people. To ensure that these airplanes do not become weapons for terrorists, Chertoff said DHS believes it is necessary to add multiple layers of security to GA operations similar to those imposed on scheduled airlines. The additional security requirements being considered are designed to help prevent the possible use of GA aircraft to carry terrorists or other criminals into the U.S.; to transport dangerous goods or weapons into this country; or as weapons themselves in the way that the Sept. 11 hijackers used airliners to strike targets in New York and Washington. Chertoff said there needs to be an "appropriate level of vetting" of crewmembers, passengers and the material on board general aviation aircraft flying into the U.S. from abroad. U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) previously issued a notice of proposed rulemaking to require electronic transmission by GA operators of flight and manifest information at least one hour prior to taking off for a flight into or out of the U.S. under the Advance Passenger Information System (eAPIS). The eAPIS system is currently used by scheduled airlines and charter operators. The Transportation Security Administration also wants to establish a "Large Aircraft Security Program" for GA operators, including corporate and private operations, "to make them consistent with existing security programs for commercial aircraft of similar size," according to a statement issued Monday. Chertoff said DHS also wants aircraft and their occupants to be physically inspected overseas before embarking on flights to the U.S. Chertoff added that DHS has already embarked on a partnership with fixed-base operator Signature Flight Support on a pilot program from several locations that will "serve as a last point of departure into the United States." DHS wants to have that program operating from Signature FBOs in Shannon, Ireland and Anchorage, Alaska by the end of the year, the department said. |
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FW: Article "DHS Wants GA Aircraft Screened Before Flights To U.S."
On Nov 6, 9:14 am, Jon wrote:
Just got this today in e-mail, forwarded from an Aviation Daily piece. I imagine this should **** of a few people. ========================== DHS Wants GA Aircraft Screened Before Flights To U.S. Perhaps they can make an exception if the pilot personally has known the passenger for more than 10 years. -Robert |
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FW: Article "DHS Wants GA Aircraft Screened Before Flights To U.S."
This illustrates that people who are incompetent in security will spend most
of their time addressing the minority of risks that they think they understand, while ignoring all the risks that they do not understand (or perceive). Unfortunately, the bad guys are rarely using the same playbook, and indeed, they tend to observe security measures and then attack in areas that have not been subjected to them. Put another way, the DHS is trying to protect against things that will never happen, because it only understands things that have already happened, and incorrectly assumes that the future will resemble the past, even though the bad guys usually know better than to try the same trick twice. |
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Article "DHS Wants GA Aircraft Screened Before Flights To U.S."
"Jon" wrote in message ups.com... Just got this today in e-mail, forwarded from an Aviation Daily piece. I imagine this should **** of a few people. ========================== DHS Wants GA Aircraft Screened Before Flights To U.S. The Dept. of Homeland Security plans to extend the security requirements now applicable to Part 135 charter operators to a wider range of general aviation operators and also wants GA aircraft and passengers flying into the U.S. to undergo security screening before takeoff, DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff said Monday. Appearing at an Aviation Business Roundtable sponsored by the National Air Transportation Association, Chertoff told the gathering of about 60 executives from charter, FBO and fuel companies that charter and private aircraft flights are becoming cheaper and available to more people. To ensure that these airplanes do not become weapons for terrorists, Chertoff said DHS believes it is necessary to add multiple layers of security to GA operations similar to those imposed on scheduled airlines. The additional security requirements being considered are designed to help prevent the possible use of GA aircraft to carry terrorists or other criminals into the U.S.; to transport dangerous goods or weapons into this country; or as weapons themselves in the way that the Sept. 11 hijackers used airliners to strike targets in New York and Washington. Chertoff said there needs to be an "appropriate level of vetting" of crewmembers, passengers and the material on board general aviation aircraft flying into the U.S. from abroad. U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) previously issued a notice of proposed rulemaking to require electronic transmission by GA operators of flight and manifest information at least one hour prior to taking off for a flight into or out of the U.S. under the Advance Passenger Information System (eAPIS). The eAPIS system is currently used by scheduled airlines and charter operators. The Transportation Security Administration also wants to establish a "Large Aircraft Security Program" for GA operators, including corporate and private operations, "to make them consistent with existing security programs for commercial aircraft of similar size," according to a statement issued Monday. Chertoff said DHS also wants aircraft and their occupants to be physically inspected overseas before embarking on flights to the U.S. Chertoff added that DHS has already embarked on a partnership with fixed-base operator Signature Flight Support on a pilot program from several locations that will "serve as a last point of departure into the United States." DHS wants to have that program operating from Signature FBOs in Shannon, Ireland and Anchorage, Alaska by the end of the year, the department said. Yea, Control our so called freedom of movement just a little more. |
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Article "DHS Wants GA Aircraft Screened Before Flights To U.S."
NW_Pilot wrote:
Yea, Control our so called freedom of movement just a little more. While I appreciate your paranoia please keep in mind that there hasn't legal, unimpaired freedom of movement over the border into the US in well over 100 years. And there is nothing in the constitution that should make you think there is such a right. But it is well within your rights trim your posts when you are going to follow up a long post with one sentence. |
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FW: Article "DHS Wants GA Aircraft Screened Before Flights To U.S."
On 2007-11-06 09:14:28 -0800, Jon said:
Just got this today in e-mail, forwarded from an Aviation Daily piece. I imagine this should **** of a few people. ========================== DHS Wants GA Aircraft Screened Before Flights To U.S. The Dept. of Homeland Security plans to extend the security requirements now applicable to Part 135 charter operators to a wider range of general aviation operators and also wants GA aircraft and passengers flying into the U.S. to undergo security screening before takeoff, DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff said Monday. That would be a good trick. How would you do it? Say you are in Mexico at some airport which does not even have a phone, let alone Internet access. Currently you can take off and call Customs as long as you give Customs notice 60 minutes before crossing the border. Now, they want a security screen of your passengers before you even take off? How do you do that? This is going to kill a lot of humanitarian programs in Mexico that depend on volunteer pilots. The earlier Customs proposal was completely unworkable, now this. What kind of fantasy world to these people live in? Last I looked, Alaska was part of the United States of America. How come these guys want to screen flights from Alaska? -- Waddling Eagle World Famous Flight Instructor |
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Article "DHS Wants GA Aircraft Screened Before Flights To U.S."
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message ... NW_Pilot wrote: Yea, Control our so called freedom of movement just a little more. While I appreciate your paranoia please keep in mind that there hasn't legal, unimpaired freedom of movement over the border into the US in well over 100 years. And there is nothing in the constitution that should make you think there is such a right. But it is well within your rights trim your posts when you are going to follow up a long post with one sentence. For the way my government treats me every time I reenter the U.S. it feels like I am being persecuted. Also see http://www.bajabushpilots.com and read a bit about what happening along our borders..... Soon we will have to have permission "A Clearance" to leave the country.. Next time I enter and they detain me I will click on my audio recorder and post the audio! If they are nice after the Interview I get 3 to12 hours in tee shirt and blue jeans not even a belt socks shoe's or a blanket to keep warm in a cold room, on a cold metal bench, with a rusty dirty toilet, no liquids, no food, and no explination.... I call it an American Gulag run by the American Gestapo (DHS)! |
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FW: Article "DHS Wants GA Aircraft Screened Before Flights To U.S."
On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:25:41 -0800, C J Campbell
wrote: That would be a good trick. How would you do it? Say you are in Mexico at some airport which does not even have a phone, let alone Internet access. Currently you can take off and call Customs as long as you give Customs notice 60 minutes before crossing the border. Now, they want a security screen of your passengers before you even take off? How do you do that? This is going to kill a lot of humanitarian programs in Mexico that depend on volunteer pilots. The earlier Customs proposal was completely unworkable, now this. What kind of fantasy world to these people live in? Last I looked, Alaska was part of the United States of America. How come these guys want to screen flights from Alaska? Did you miss the part where it mentioned Pt 135?? Pt 91/GA is going to have to use the same procedure/system that Pt 135 has been using for quite some time. https://eapis.cbp.dhs.gov/ TC |
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FW: Article "DHS Wants GA Aircraft Screened Before Flights To U.S."
On Nov 6, 10:24 am, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
On Nov 6, 9:14 am, Jon wrote: Just got this today in e-mail, forwarded from an Aviation Daily piece. I imagine this should **** of a few people. ========================== DHS Wants GA Aircraft Screened Before Flights To U.S. Perhaps they can make an exception if the pilot personally has known the passenger for more than 10 years. -Robert DHS use logical and rational thought? Not gonna happen, you get to go through the security checkpoint just like everyone else... |
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FW: Article "DHS Wants GA Aircraft Screened Before Flights To U.S."
Mxsmanic wrote in
: This illustrates that people who are incompetent in security will spend most of their time addressing the minority of risks that they think they understand, while ignoring all the risks that they do not understand (or perceive). Unfortunately, the bad guys are rarely using the same playbook, and indeed, they tend to observe security measures and then attack in areas that have not been subjected to them. Sounds like a threat to me. Bertie |
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