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IFR logging question - is this legal?
Jose wrote: As soon as you put the hood on, you are in simulated instrument conditions, whether in cloud or not, and whether IFR or not. You may =also= be in actual instrument conditions, but that is irrelevant. Using a flight simulator is still simulated flight, even if the simulator is on board a flying 747. Ifind the FSDO doesn't find it too amusing when you try to play lawyer with them and find odd loopholes in the law. I would suspect a call to the FSDO (which I would actually do if you are thinking of doing this) would result in some chuckles. -Robert |
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IFR logging question - is this legal?
Peter wrote: Jose wrote *What* can he log this time as? Can he log instrument time, or (if under the hood) simulated instrument time)? What if the whole flight is VMC on top (most likely). He can log PIC as sole manipulate of the controls per 61.51(e). He can also log actual instrument. Note that in the U.S. BEING PIC and LOGGING PIC are very, very different things. In the case you propose the instrument rated pilot in the right seat can log nothing since there is no provision under 61.51(e) for logging time just because the flying pilot isn't fully qualified, even if he (you) is serving as PIC. -Robert |
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IFR logging question - is this legal?
Jose wrote:
There is no regulation in the above proposal that requires multiple pilots (the requirement for the non-flying pilot to log PIC under 61.51(e). The FAR that requires multiple pilots says "simulated instrument conditions". As soon as you put the hood on, you are in simulated instrument conditions, whether in cloud or not, and whether IFR or not. You may =also= be in actual instrument conditions, but that is irrelevant. Are you sure about that part? I wouldn't have thought so. Brad |
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IFR logging question - is this legal?
Ifind the FSDO doesn't find it too amusing when you try to play lawyer
with them and find odd loopholes in the law. It's what their lawyers do with you if they get the urge. Be ahead of the game. And it's not an esoteric question - IFR in VMC is not an uncommon way to get hood time, and in and out of the clouds is not uncommon either. Jose -- The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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IFR logging question - is this legal?
As soon as you put the hood on, you are in simulated instrument conditions, whether in cloud or not, and whether IFR or not. You may =also= be in actual instrument conditions, but that is irrelevant.
Are you sure about that part? I wouldn't have thought so. I am not a lawyer and did not write the regs, so I am not "sure" what the end result of an actual case would be. However wearing a hood in IMC gives you all the disadvantages of simulated (vs actual) instrument flight. You are pretending to not be able to see outside. Look at it this way - if you are under the hood in VFR conditions (say under an overcast or in LA smog), you are in simulated conditions. If you enter cloud, you won't know it, because the simulation is so good. You can be VFR on a moonless night over water, and be in actual instrument conditions (perhaps we should use AIC instead of IMC), but put the hood on and you are in simulated instrument conditions. You won't know when you fly over a city. So it makes sense to me that you can simulate instrument conditions while you are actually in instrument conditions. Jose -- The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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IFR logging question - is this legal?
Jose wrote: Ifind the FSDO doesn't find it too amusing when you try to play lawyer with them and find odd loopholes in the law. It's what their lawyers do with you if they get the urge. But there isn't much you can do to prevent that. The only thing that will prevent that is to convince the FAA Chief Council to issue a formal ruling. Short of that, the FAA can (and does ) change its mind during enforcement. -Robert |
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IFR logging question - is this legal?
But there isn't much you can do to prevent that [finding odd loopholes in the law].
If you see odd loopholes, you can ensure that you are not in them, so you are not surprised. Jose -- The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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