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("Tim B" wrote)
What avionics? (specs and price $150,000 OBO) http://www.express-aircraft.com/Aircraft%20Specs.htm (From the above Express Aircraft Company link) ......CLICK FOR AVIONICS LIST!! g http://www.express-aircraft.com/511_avionics.htm N511EA Avionics and Indicators Sandel SN3308 HSI Eventide Argus 7000/CE Color Moving Map Display Bendix King KLN 89B TSO GPS Bendix King KX 155 TSO NAV / COM Radio Bendix King KY197A TSO COM Radio Bendix King KT 76C TSO Digital Transponder PS Engineering PMA7000MS Stereo Audio Panel with Intelivox and Glide Slope STEC Model 30 Auto Pilot JPI EDM-700 Engine Monitor Angle of Attack Indicator with Voice Prompt JPI Slimline Fuel Pressure Gage Annunciator Panel Daytron M800 Chronometer Oil Temperature Gage Oil Pressure Gage Voltage Meter Duel Fuel Gage Amp Gage Manifold Pressure Gage Tachometer Compass with Hour Meter Electric Elevator Trim with Indicator Kenwood KDC-7011 Stereo with Motorized Face Montblack |
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Jerry Springer wrote:
I can tell you have never seen the inside of a RV-10 have you? Have you seen one in person? http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/Rv10/220RV/13_lg.jpg Just an observation, but that looks like the outside to me. Could be my internet connection playing tricks on me though... ;-D |
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Darrel Toepfer wrote:
Jerry Springer wrote: I can tell you have never seen the inside of a RV-10 have you? Have you seen one in person? http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/Rv10/220RV/13_lg.jpg Just an observation, but that looks like the outside to me. Could be my internet connection playing tricks on me though... ;-D Must be your mind playing tricks on you. :-) The picture was just thrown in for the fun of it. :-) Jerry |
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I can tell you have never seen the inside of a RV-10 have you? Have you seen one in person? http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/Rv10/220RV/13_lg.jpg Jerry no. ( He said very quietly in an almost indecipherable voice...) Antonio |
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Express Builder wrote: The Express assets will be picked up by someone sooner or later. This kit will never go away. It has always been popular and can be successful if the group that takes it over sticks to the basics. History shows the company comes apart when they try to compete with Lancair or whoever. The Express is a solid design as is. Let's hope it falls into the right hands. I wholeheartedly agree. One of the problems with the last incarnation of this company was the different directions that were pursuing--inverted V-8 version, retractable version, turbocharged version, T-tail, etc. The new owners should stick to the basics and concentrate on customer support rather than R&D. I have flown these many times and they are a wonderful aircraft. Antonio The Expres may be a wonderful aircraft, but Vans' RV-10 is going to capture the 4 seat/ 160-170 knot market due to lower pricing and a better company reputation. Whatever market there was for the Express shrunk considerably when RV-10 was announced. I'm sure the Velocity and Cozy guys are feeling the bite too. KB Are you kidding me? Take a picture of the RV-10 and place it next to the Express. Which one is gonna get you the girls? BOTH! Absolutely BOTH! Seriously, the two aircraft are in totally different markets. The RV's are certainly nice machines--I've help build an RV-4, and a 6A -- but IMO they are more utilitarian and functional than a sleek composite. The cockpits are not any where near as comfy and they are in the aerobatic category. Whoa there pardner, we were not comparing the Express to the RV-4 or RV-6 but comparing to the RV-10, the new 4-place from Vans. There is a very big difference that if you haven't seen the RV-10 yet, you would not even begin to understand. The RV-10 is NOT in the aerobatic category and the cockpit is everybit as nice as the Express but may be a bit smaller but not by much. The RV's are designed to appeal to the sporty individual while the Express would appeal more to the cross country traveler/businessman who had exceptional taste. ;-) Antonio The RV-10 was not designed for the sporty individual, it is very much a cross country traveler for either the businessman or the family traveler with exceptional taste. You really need to look before you leap on this subject, obviously you haven't seen an RV-10 up close or you would not have made the above statements. Bob Reed www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site) KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress.... "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!" (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman) |
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RobertR237 wrote:
Whoa there pardner, we were not comparing the Express to the RV-4 or RV-6 but comparing to the RV-10, the new 4-place from Vans. There is a very big difference that if you haven't seen the RV-10 yet, you would not even begin to understand. The RV-10 is NOT in the aerobatic category and the cockpit is everybit as nice as the Express but may be a bit smaller but not by much. You are absolutely right. I jumped to the conclusion without even looking that the RV-10 was the same old stuff as the previous models. I stand corrected. Antonio |
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RobertR237 wrote:
The RV's are designed to appeal to the sporty individual while the Express would appeal more to the cross country traveler/businessman who had exceptional taste. ;-) Antonio The RV-10 was not designed for the sporty individual, it is very much a cross country traveler for either the businessman or the family traveler with exceptional taste. You really need to look before you leap on this subject, obviously you haven't seen an RV-10 up close or you would not have made the above statements. Comparing notes from Express web page and from Van's web page the RV-10 is 2" wider both front and back seat. Head room may be a little bit shorter in the RV-10 but at 6'3" there is still room to spare for me in the back seat. I could not believe how much room there is in that airplane. Jerry Bob Reed www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site) KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress.... "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!" (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman) |
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The RV's are designed to appeal to the sporty individual while the Express would appeal more to the cross country traveler/businessman who had exceptional taste. ;-) Antonio The RV-10 was not designed for the sporty individual, it is very much a cross country traveler for either the businessman or the family traveler with exceptional taste. You really need to look before you leap on this subject, obviously you haven't seen an RV-10 up close or you would not have made the above statements. Comparing notes from Express web page and from Van's web page the RV-10 is 2" wider both front and back seat. Head room may be a little bit shorter in the RV-10 but at 6'3" there is still room to spare for me in the back seat. I could not believe how much room there is in that airplane. Jerry Jerry, I won't argue your numbers but wasn't comparing the numbers as much as the experience of setting in the fron and back seats of both aircraft. They are both roughly equal in pilot and copilot comfort unless you count the seats that they put in the RV-10 which are exceptional. The back seat in the Express is another story though. In some versions of the Express, they were setup as six passenger aircraft with an added storage pod under the fuselage. The interior room of the Express is very deep and the rear seat is much further back from the front seat. The RV-10 rear seat is better than most 4-place GA aircraft but not near the Express. Bob Reed www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site) KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress.... "Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice, pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!" (M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman) |
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I was seriously considering the Express at one point. The cruise at 16,000
ft with RG and Turbo was about 230 knots (265 mph IIRC). RG probably bought about 5-6 kts. RG not really worth it if you ask me. I think cranking the cruise up and paying the extra wear plus gas is cheaper than the additional insurance and gear maintenance. I suspect I would be eating those words on an engine out trying to stretch the glide of the fixed gear. The big thing for me is Turbo to get into the lower FL and crank the speed up. It's what makes the Columbia 400 so attractive. I would love to see the RV 10 get the 310 HP TSIO 540 engine in their airplane. "Jerry Springer" wrote in message k.net... I find it hard to believe that a RG version would make that much difference. Here is a link to their web site that has their demonstrator for sale with a 310hp engine. http://www.express-aircraft.com/ Jerry (I could be wrong) Springer Tim B wrote: Vans is 200 smph. Express had 310 HP TSIO RG versions that would rival the Lancair 400 at FL 180 "Jerry Springer" wrote in message k.net... Marc J. Zeitlin wrote: Kyle Boatright wrote: The Expres may be a wonderful aircraft, but Vans' RV-10 is going to capture the 4 seat/ 160-170 knot market due to lower pricing and a better company reputation. Yes - that market, the RV-10 will own, for those folks that don't mind burning 13 gal/hr. to get it. ......Whatever market there was for the Express shrunk considerably when RV-10 was announced. I'm not sure about that - the Express is a lot faster, IIRC - I'm not sure they're the same market. How do you figure it is a lot faster? I don't know anything about an Express other than what their web site says and it says 175kts cruise. Vans says the RV-10 cruises at 200-201 that seems to be about the same cruise speed. Jerry .....I'm sure the Velocity and Cozy guys are feeling the bite too. I don't know about the Velocity, but COZY plans are still selling at the same rate that they were prior to the RV-10's announcement. Those two planes are really NOT the same market, due to speed, fuel consumption, and load capacity. So far, the RV-10 and COZY are orthogonal, not competing. |
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" You want to build, get a set of plans to something _you_ can build. You want
to fly, buy a new Maule. You want to fly faster, buy an L-39." I forgot who wrote that but it's true, isn't it? |
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