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In article J5V5b.266971$cF.84535@rwcrnsc53, Juan E Jimenez says...

Only he would know the totals, Dan. I just know his claim that he's never
been successfully sued is a lie on at least two counts. I have located the
details on one, and am awaiting the details on a second instance. Let's wait
and see what he says in response to my question.

"B2431" wrote in message
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Juan, I don't have a dog in this fight, but I would like your stats on
CGS. How
many suits, how many unsatisfied customers etc.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

Hi Dan
One thing about the ANN gang is that they are experts at twisting the truth to
create a perception when the reality is something different. An example are the
the words "sucessfully sued" used by both jaun and zoom.
Here's how it was used :

"Fact: CGS has been successfully sued by unhappy customers and is still in the
process of defending itself against same in other venues. "

The perception they are trying to create is that I or the company "lost"
lawsuits and am defending against others. The reality is that there were I
believe 3 lawsuits against either CGS Aviation Inc or CGS Aviation that were
settled out of court for obvious reasons. I am in fact involved in 2 more that
are still pending. Settling out of court is not a determination of guilt . The
use of "sucessfully sued" could have been replaced with "settled out of court"
but that wouldn't have created the perception that I "lostwhich is what they
were trying to do.

I was sucessfully sued but anyone who gets sued is "sucessfully sued" but it
doesn't mean anything about the case. 15 of us here on RAH were "sucessfully
sued" by zoom and zoom was "sucessfully sued" by a whole lot of creditors before
his magazine went bankrupt.They like to play word games to get back at any who
disagrees with them or asks for proof.

I don't know why they get so melodramatic about this ,as if I have something to
hide and I don't.Fact is I'm tied up this week end with our Annual Hawk Owners
Fly In at the airport and will be off line till monday. But I'll post the names
and case # of all the lawsuits since 1983 ,when CGS Aviation Inc. got it's
first. All that info is at the shop and I'll have to dig it up. I seem to recall
that from 1983 to date It's all a matter of court records nothing sinister here
or anything to hide from.

Off the top of my head I can recall 6 suits , 4 were settled out of court and 2
are pending. 2 of the 4 were settled for $5000 or less out of court and one was
awarded $750,000 and the one in 83 was I believe $10,000 .The difference being
the company had liability insurance at the time. They had nothing to do with the
fear of expert witnesses as jaun says.If jaun knew anything about the legal
system he wouldn't be making "babe in the woods" statements about the legal
system.

God I miss Tony at times like this.

I have always said my beef with ANN and zoom has always been about credibility
and that hasn't changed ,they still operate on distortion,half truths and
inuendo and zoom campbell is in my humble opinion a PHONY .

Now since we're all being truthful here I wonder if jaun can produce the dates
his hero zoom said he flew the Etheopian food missions.He published that as fact
in his now defunct magazine US Aviator .He also stated that he fathered a child
in his magazine and none exists yet he stated it as fact. Credibility it was
always about credibility.

See ya

Chuck S RAH-15/1 ret

By the way my kid retired out of Barksdale AFB a couple years ago and my kid
brother retired out of Langley AFB about 5 yrs ago.

"evil didn't triumph because good men spoke and evil was nuts" anon