launching V-1s from an aircraft carrier

Keith Willshaw wrote:

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Yep, although if the UK had been removed from hostilities, it might
just
about have been feasible to get a GZ into position to launch some sort
of
Doolittle-type sneak raid on the USEC.

I saw a documentary that said the Germans were building a submersible
trailer for a U-boat that could launch a V-2.

They quite possibly did. According to reports in 1944, three U-boats
U-24, U-9 and U-19 equipped with rocket launchers were allegedly
deployed against Soviet harbor facilities and moored ships during the
German retreat. If this is true it was the first combat use of a
submarine-launched missile.

It would have to be a dammed small missile.

Those were type IIb boats and at only 140 ft long and displacing
around 300 tons they didnt have a lot of disposable space.

If they fired anything bigger than a Panzerschreck I'd be amazed.

Some interesting info he

http://www.prinzeugen.com/V2.htm

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Keith Willshaw wrote:


Those were type IIb boats and at only 140 ft long and displacing
around 300 tons they didnt have a lot of disposable space.

If they fired anything bigger than a Panzerschreck I'd be amazed.

Some interesting info he

http://www.prinzeugen.com/V2.htm


So they jury rigged a small tactical rocket launcher
on the decks of three small coastal submarines, an act
born of desperation no doubt since all 3 boats were destroyed
when the Soviets overran Konstanza in August/Sept 1944

U-9 was sunk by aircraft at Konstanza
U-19 was scuttled off Turkey in Sept 1944
U-24 was scuttled at Konstanza

Keith

"Simon Robbins" wrote in message ...
"The Blue Max" wrote in message
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Yep, although if the UK had been removed from hostilities, it might just
about have been feasible to get a GZ into position to launch some sort of
Doolittle-type sneak raid on the USEC.

I saw a documentary that said the Germans were building a submersible
trailer for a U-boat that could launch a V-2. Plan being to tow hem across
the Atlantic and launch into the United States.

Si

Yes, Prufstand XII of which one was actually constructed plus two
others nearing completion at Stettin. Russians built some of the towed
missile launchers after the war.

Rob

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ...
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If they fired anything bigger than a Panzerschreck I'd be amazed.

Some interesting info he

http://www.prinzeugen.com/V2.htm


So they jury rigged a small tactical rocket launcher
on the decks of three small coastal submarines, an act
born of desperation no doubt since all 3 boats were destroyed
when the Soviets overran Konstanza in August/Sept 1944

U-9 was sunk by aircraft at Konstanza
U-19 was scuttled off Turkey in Sept 1944
U-24 was scuttled at Konstanza

Keith

Well the rockets launchers certainly seemed to be larger than a
Panzerschreck.
Now we come to the important part - were you amazed (as you said you
would be) when you read that?

"Tuollaf43" wrote in message
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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If they fired anything bigger than a Panzerschreck I'd be amazed.

Some interesting info he

http://www.prinzeugen.com/V2.htm


So they jury rigged a small tactical rocket launcher
on the decks of three small coastal submarines, an act
born of desperation no doubt since all 3 boats were destroyed
when the Soviets overran Konstanza in August/Sept 1944

U-9 was sunk by aircraft at Konstanza
U-19 was scuttled off Turkey in Sept 1944
U-24 was scuttled at Konstanza

Keith

Well the rockets launchers certainly seemed to be larger than a
Panzerschreck.
Now we come to the important part - were you amazed (as you said you
would be) when you read that?

Yep , its always nice to learn something new.

Keith

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ...
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Yep , its always nice to learn something new.

Keith

Well thats a relief. You know you were in great danger of becoming an
Hermoine Granger there.

You always seem to have a opinion on every subject. Backed by three
references. And whats worse is, you'd be right most of the time.

Tuollaf43 wrote:

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ...
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Yep , its always nice to learn something new.

Keith

Well thats a relief. You know you were in great danger of becoming an
Hermoine Granger there.

You always seem to have a opinion on every subject. Backed by three
references. And whats worse is, you'd be right most of the time.

Well honestly, if you devoted as much attention as Keith does to reading "The Standard Book of Flying (Grades 1 through
7)," "Rec.Aviation.Military: A History," "Aerobatics Through the Ages," and "Fantastic Bombers and Where to Find Them,"
among others, you'd know nearly as much as Keith does ;-)

Guy

To judge from the types of aircraft developed for the Graf Zeppelin, the
catapults should have been able to launch a V1 unless it weighed much more
than, say, a Ju87.

What does the French quotation at the end of your message mean? Is it in
the Languedoc dialect? Where is it from?

Gordon McLaughlin

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Ignoring the political, economic, and strategic issues around the matter,
what would have been the technical problems involved in launching V-1s
from
a completed CV Graf Zeppelin?

I assume one would be limited to city-sized targets; would the sort of
catapult fitted to GZ have been capable of hefting a V-1 into the air?

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"Gordon McLaughlin" wrote in message
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To judge from the types of aircraft developed for the Graf Zeppelin, the
catapults should have been able to launch a V1 unless it weighed much
more
than, say, a Ju87.

That's what I figure, as long as there's no compelling other reason (like
setting up the compass, for instance).

My reason for asking was that I'm programming an old PC wargame to
simulate
a Doolittle raid on New York in about 1943-4 by a pair of German CVs. The
assumptions are that the Commonwealth and USSR have capitulated in
succession, the IJN is in need of a diversion, and the two German CVs,
which
can't fight a US CV, are instead launching the most irritating raid
possible
that's sure to force the USN to pull carriers out of the Pacific.


If the commonwealth has capitulated why arent you launching attacks
from Canada ?

Assuming they can do 25 to 30 knots for 10 hours or so and the V-1s can
fly
about 250 miles, they could presumably approach during daylight, launch at
dusk, and retreat, thus ensuring that they're out of range of effective
land-based air throughout.

Hardly. Virtually any land based twin or 4 engined bombers could
reach them with escort from P-38's. The catalina's would pick them
up a long way out.

All they have to worry about is submarines, so I
figure one carries a normal air group and the other the V-1s. Ideally, if
a
V-1 could be fired without reconfiguring the whole flight deck, they both
would. I'd imagine you could flat-pack a V-1 quite small.


Why dont they have to wonder about the US Atlantic fleet ?

Keith

"Gordon McLaughlin" wrote in message
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To judge from the types of aircraft developed for the Graf Zeppelin, the
catapults should have been able to launch a V1 unless it weighed much more
than, say, a Ju87.

That's what I figure, as long as there's no compelling other reason (like
setting up the compass, for instance).

My reason for asking was that I'm programming an old PC wargame to simulate
a Doolittle raid on New York in about 1943-4 by a pair of German CVs. The
assumptions are that the Commonwealth and USSR have capitulated in
succession, the IJN is in need of a diversion, and the two German CVs, which
can't fight a US CV, are instead launching the most irritating raid possible
that's sure to force the USN to pull carriers out of the Pacific.

Assuming they can do 25 to 30 knots for 10 hours or so and the V-1s can fly
about 250 miles, they could presumably approach during daylight, launch at
dusk, and retreat, thus ensuring that they're out of range of effective
land-based air throughout. All they have to worry about is submarines, so I
figure one carries a normal air group and the other the V-1s. Ideally, if a
V-1 could be fired without reconfiguring the whole flight deck, they both
would. I'd imagine you could flat-pack a V-1 quite small.

What does the French quotation at the end of your message mean? Is it in
the Languedoc dialect? Where is it from?

You have to read it aloud.

Et qui rit des cures d'Oc?

hickory, dickory, dock

De Meuse raines, houp! de cloques.

the mouse ran up the clock

De quelles loques ce turqe coin.

the clock struck one

Et ne d'anes ni rennes,

and down he ran

Ecuries des cures d'Oc.

hickory dickory dock.