Obtaining Flight Instructor Certificate

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message ...

If you're not trying to get qualified to instruct instrument flight, why
would you need an instrument rating, assuming you had all the other
necessary privileges on your pilot certificate? What does "privileges on
that person's pilot certificate that are appropriate to the flight
instructor rating sought" actually mean?

ATP's don't hold instrument ratings.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
...
ATP's don't hold instrument ratings.

So? Please read the rest of the thread. The clause easily could have
specified "instrument privileges" specifically, but it didn't. So, not only
does it not make clear that "instrument privileges" ARE required, it implies
that some other privileges might be necessary and/or sufficient.

Of all the poorly written paragraphs in the FARs, this sure seems to be one
of them.

Pete

Thanks for clarifing

--Chris



"Larry Fransson" wrote in message
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On 2003-11-28 17:46:59 -0800, "Chris" said:

To obtain a flight instuctor certificate is it mandtory you have a
commercial certificate with instument privlages even if you will only be
a
CFI teaching VFR only?

For a flight instructor certificate with an airplane rating, you must have
a commercial certificate with an instrument rating. If you're going for a
helicopter CFI, you don't need the instrument rating.

as I understand it.. a CFI without an Instrument rating on his Commercial
certificate will not be able to teach cross country or at night.

Commercial privileges are limited to 50nm and day time only if you don't
have a IFR rating.

Your "basic" student working towards the private is a "paying passenger" in
a commercial operation.

BT
"Chris" wrote in message
...
To obtain a flight instuctor certificate is it mandtory you have a
commercial certificate with instument privlages even if you will only be a
CFI teaching VFR only? or does the FAA require it regardless the wording
in
part 61.183 was alittle unclear to me. Anyone who can clarify please do
thanks so much!

-Chris

Thanks for your response BTIZ that clarfies things alot!


"BTIZ" wrote in message
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as I understand it.. a CFI without an Instrument rating on his Commercial
certificate will not be able to teach cross country or at night.

Commercial privileges are limited to 50nm and day time only if you don't
have a IFR rating.

Your "basic" student working towards the private is a "paying passenger"
in
a commercial operation.

BT
"Chris" wrote in message
...
To obtain a flight instuctor certificate is it mandtory you have a
commercial certificate with instument privlages even if you will only be
a
CFI teaching VFR only? or does the FAA require it regardless the wording
in
part 61.183 was alittle unclear to me. Anyone who can clarify please do
thanks so much!

-Chris

On 2003-11-28 20:29:58 -0800, "Chris" said:

Thanks for your response BTIZ that clarfies things alot!


"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:66Vxb.11631$ML6.4351@fed1read01...
as I understand it.. a CFI without an Instrument rating on his Commercial
certificate will not be able to teach cross country or at night.

Commercial privileges are limited to 50nm and day time only if you don't
have a IFR rating.

Your "basic" student working towards the private is a "paying passenger"
in
a commercial operation.

Just don't take that as gospel truth. He's incorrect on both counts.

"Larry Fransson" wrote in message
news:2003112821481850073%lfransson@comcastnet...
On 2003-11-28 20:29:58 -0800, "Chris" said:

Thanks for your response BTIZ that clarfies things alot!


"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:66Vxb.11631$ML6.4351@fed1read01...
as I understand it.. a CFI without an Instrument rating on his
Commercial
certificate will not be able to teach cross country or at night.

Commercial privileges are limited to 50nm and day time only if you
don't
have a IFR rating.

Your "basic" student working towards the private is a "paying
passenger"
in
a commercial operation.

Just don't take that as gospel truth. He's incorrect on both counts.

Please explain and give references other than making a statement.

(of course I did not back up my statment, but I am researching the Part61
FAQ file)

Bt

On 2003-11-28 21:56:07 -0800, "BTIZ" said:

Please explain and give references other than making a statement.

My reference? I have held a CFI certificate since 1992. I needed an instrument rating then,
and that hasn't changed. I'll agree that the wording of 61.183(c)(2) becomes somewhat
difficult after the words "instrument rating." It could be that what the "or" is referring to is
something like a multiengine rating. It is possible to hold a commercial certificate with a
multiengine rating that is restricted to VFR. In that case, it appears you would not be eligible
for a multiengine instructor rating as you do not have "instrument...privileges...appropriate to
the flight instructor rating sought."

As for the part about students being paying passengers in a commercial operation, I can't give you a reference because there isn't one. It is flight instruction, which is specifically excluded from the passenger-carrying provisions of the regulations as stated in 119.1(e)(1). If it somehow were a passenger-carrying operation, the only place it would fit is part 135, which specifically prohibits passengers from manipulating the flight controls.

Larry can you explain what is incorrect with BTIZ statement becasue I really
need to know if an instument rating is required or not to be a CFI the regs
were not exactly clear to me in this area.

Thanks
Chris

"Larry Fransson" wrote in message
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On 2003-11-28 20:29:58 -0800, "Chris" said:

Thanks for your response BTIZ that clarfies things alot!


"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:66Vxb.11631$ML6.4351@fed1read01...
as I understand it.. a CFI without an Instrument rating on his
Commercial
certificate will not be able to teach cross country or at night.

Commercial privileges are limited to 50nm and day time only if you
don't
have a IFR rating.

Your "basic" student working towards the private is a "paying
passenger"
in
a commercial operation.

Just don't take that as gospel truth. He's incorrect on both counts.

If you are going to become a CFI, I suggest you start looking into better
ways to learn about the FARs. Getting information on a newsgroup won't cut
it.




"Chris" wrote in message
...
Larry can you explain what is incorrect with BTIZ statement becasue I
really
need to know if an instument rating is required or not to be a CFI the
regs
were not exactly clear to me in this area.

Thanks
Chris

"Larry Fransson" wrote in message
news:2003112821481850073%lfransson@comcastnet...
On 2003-11-28 20:29:58 -0800, "Chris" said:

Thanks for your response BTIZ that clarfies things alot!


"BTIZ" wrote in message
news:66Vxb.11631$ML6.4351@fed1read01...
as I understand it.. a CFI without an Instrument rating on his
Commercial
certificate will not be able to teach cross country or at night.

Commercial privileges are limited to 50nm and day time only if you
don't
have a IFR rating.

Your "basic" student working towards the private is a "paying
passenger"
in
a commercial operation.

Just don't take that as gospel truth. He's incorrect on both counts.