Another Cirrus crash

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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But
it's the only airplane I've ever flown that I can say I truly hated and
couldn't wait to be back on the ground.

Wow, you're the only person I've ever heard say *THAT* about the Cirrus.

What didn't you like about the way it flew?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


It seemed heavy on the controls requiring a lot of thumb action on the trim
to make it bearable. The stick is too far to the side making it similar to
trying to fly using your door handle. It's more natural to have your hands
towards the center, like a center stick or yoke, instead of having just one
way out to the side. I find the side stick gives you a very detached and
somewhat helpless feeling. Like enjoying the ride is more important than
the actual flying. If the electric trim failed, imagine reaching across to
get your right hand on the stick. Thank god for the parachute, because I
wouldn't want to have to horse that thing through some emergency maneuver.
The feeling I get flying a Cirrus is the same I can get if I played MSFS
while sitting in a lazyboy. In these things PIC means "pilot in cirrus"
because you sure as hell aren't in "command"

The glass panel, however wiz-bang cool, is more distracting than it is
useful. And no, I don't want to look down at my knees to see the analog
backups. Maybe if I learned on something like that I'd be used to it. The
big moving map is great, I've gotta shoehorn one of them into my Musketeer,
but gimmie a panel full of dials for my primary instruments anyday.

It's possible for them to make it more friendly to pilots who want to be
more active in flight, instead of catering to the
ijustgottapilotslicenseandmyothercarisamercedes crowd. But they go where
the money is. I'm sure not all Cirrus owners are the Tom Cruise, Top Gun
type, but all that I've met are. Maybe this has something to do with the
accident stats.

If I win one in a raffle I'll trade you even for your Pathfinder. ;-)

"FUji" wrote:
I find the side stick gives you a very detached and
somewhat helpless feeling. Like enjoying the ride
is more important than the actual flying.

I know exactly what you mean. I flew a Lancair Super ES and absolutely
hated it. It felt like sitting in a Barcalounger playing Nintendo.

Maybe it's just prejudice from habituation, but as far as I'm concerned,
side sticks suck. Perhaps I'd feel differently if I got to try one in
an F-16!
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:vighc.35327$yD1.101224@attbi_s54...
But
it's the only airplane I've ever flown that I can say I truly hated and
couldn't wait to be back on the ground.

Wow, you're the only person I've ever heard say *THAT* about the Cirrus.

What didn't you like about the way it flew?

It fly's like a car with bald tires drives on ice.

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
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"FUji" wrote:
I find the side stick gives you a very detached and
somewhat helpless feeling. Like enjoying the ride
is more important than the actual flying.

I know exactly what you mean. I flew a Lancair Super ES and absolutely
hated it. It felt like sitting in a Barcalounger playing Nintendo.

Maybe it's just prejudice from habituation, but as far as I'm concerned,
side sticks suck. Perhaps I'd feel differently if I got to try one in
an F-16!

At least in an F-16, the control stick (IIUC) is in the RIGHT hand, which is
the one with dexterity (for a northpaw). Yes, with a regular yoke you use
the left hand with right hand for the throttle, but then you're using the
entire arm. (Try putting golf balls with just hands...it doesn't
work...that's why you use still hands and control with the larger arm
muscles.)

John Harper wrote:
I'm baffled by why the loss rate is so high for this airplane.
My wife's theory - which I am too polite to repeat - is that
the plane attracts the wrong kind of pilot.

That being the case, imagine when the light jets hit the market.

Hilton

"Guy Elden Jr." wrote in message
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It is kind of disconcerting to see this happening, but keep in mind that
it
may not be statistically significant compared to the crash rate of
Cessnas,
Pipers, Beeches, etc... I expect that we're all a bit more aware of Cirrus
right now because of the recent BRS deployment, so any news regarding
Cirrus
is going to be noticed more now than it would be at another point in time.

Rest assured the acident rate of Cirrus is statistically off the chart
compared to C/P/B.

the electric trim is so fast you can't trim the plane for hands-off
flying (and therefore have to use the autopilot) IS.

what's wrong with the manual trim...

BT

BTIZ wrote:

the electric trim is so fast you can't trim the plane for hands-off
flying (and therefore have to use the autopilot) IS.

what's wrong with the manual trim...

What manual trim? You snipped the post, but the earlier poster was
discussing a CIRRUS SR22, so your question doesn't make sense.

Errm.... have you ever sat in a Cirrus (either kind)? There
is ONLY electric trim. No comforting trim wheel down
by your right hand.

fwiw in my plane (182RG) I never use the electric trim,
partly because it doesn't work very well and partly because
I've just never got into the habit. (Funny, because the couple
of times I flew a Mooney Bravo it seemed like second nature
to use the electric trim).

John

"BTIZ" wrote in message
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the electric trim is so fast you can't trim the plane for hands-off
flying (and therefore have to use the autopilot) IS.

what's wrong with the manual trim...

BT

"ET" wrote in message
...
(James L. Freeman) wrote in
om:

A four-place Cirrus crashed yesterday near Greenwood, SC. There were
not many details in the paper this morning. There were four on board,
all killed. It went down in a wooded area near a golf course shortly
after takeoff. There was no mention of a parachute deployment. They
had arrived a few hours before for a business meeting and did not
refuel before takeoff, but in the picture it appeared that the
aircraft was destroyed by fire after impact so there must have been
fuel on board.


Yup, as much as we put down the zzzz guy... it was on his site just after
midnight last night, and this is the first I've seen it other than
there....


Good for him. Did he say that it was caused by space aliens or by evil
agents from Pulsar this time?