If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#21
|
|||
|
|||
You need to go look at what they actually said and whether they are doing
it. My recollection is that they said that the units were "WAAS upgradable" and that the cost would be about $1500. They never garanteed a date and to do so would have been impossible since the FAA hadn't yet issued the TSO. What exactly do you think was falsely advertised? Mike MU-2 "iflyatiger" wrote in message ... Please don't flame me for this thought .. As much as I hate it when I see these bs class action lawsuits were the lawyers make millions and the consumer gets a $5.00 coupon. I am surprised no one has mentioned legal action for the falsely advertised waas upgrade. Any thoughts on the merits of this ? No thoughts needed on lawsuits in general. And yes I do own a 530 and have for at least a few years and have called my dealer to order all the upgrades I keep hearing about but are never available ( terrain warning, waas ). Take care.. JG. "PPT33R" wrote in message oups.com... I recently made an inquiry to Garmin regarding their new requirement that GNS 430/530 owners pre-order the WAAS upgrade prior to November 2005 to guarantee the $1500 price their marketing department has been stating for the past 2 years... Keeping in mind the WAAS upgrade for these boxes are already years overdue, and Garmin does not have much of a track record for meeting their own schedules. I don't see any guarantee they can make their new date in late 06. I asked the 'insane' question, "What if Garmin pushes this date once again and I move far away from the dealer I placed my upgrade order with?" A Garmin rep stated I would have to cancel the original order and forfeit the $1500 upgrade price to whatever the final price turns out to be... I am leery of placing an order with this kind of company. I just don't trust them anymore. They sold the GNS 430/530 as WAAS upgradeable for a reasonable cost, period. I called Garmin corporate to confirm when I bought my box. Now years later, constant delays and restrictive terms and conditions are getting irritating. What kind of company requires a pre-order of an upgrade promised years ago, that won't be delivered for at least another year and a half? While my box is out of the aircraft, will they provide a 'loaner' so I can still use my aircraft, or am I just SOL until they decide to return my box? WOULD SOMEBODY PLEASE GIVE GARMIN SOME REAL COMPETITION? They really need to be taken down a peg or two. |
#22
|
|||
|
|||
Was the salesman(person)s mouth moving? Then they were lying.
I too made the mistake of buying a 530 based on weather/traffic, etc. being on the box rather that buying Avidyne. Big mistake. -- Thx, {|;-) Victor J. (Jim) Osborne, Jr. "Richard Kaplan" wrote in message news:1119450723.70c35f39b4665fcfcbb2d6848f911164@t eranews... Did Garmin promise an eventual upgrade to WAAS when you bought your 530? Yes |
#23
|
|||
|
|||
Matt Barrow wrote:
I'd like to dump my KLN94 and go to a GPS480 with an AviDyne MX-500. One problem is the GPS480 does not support curved flight paths (GAMA) that a GPS 430 does. It will fly them (at least it does holds, procedure turns, and DME arcs). Maybe it doesn't reflect htem properly on the GAMA graphcis to the AVIDYNE (I have an MX20) I wonder if I should go with a dual GPS in the form of a GPS 430/ 480 combo? Would it work? Perhaps but confusing as hell I would think. |
#24
|
|||
|
|||
Ron Natalie wrote: Matt Barrow wrote: I'd like to dump my KLN94 and go to a GPS480 with an AviDyne MX-500. One problem is the GPS480 does not support curved flight paths (GAMA) that a GPS 430 does. It will fly them (at least it does holds, procedure turns, and DME arcs). Maybe it doesn't reflect htem properly on the GAMA graphcis to the AVIDYNE (I have an MX20) ARINC 424 specifications provide for two different type of curved legs AF (arc to fix) and RF (radius to fix). AF legs are for DME ARCs. RF legs are for the new, advanced instrument approach procedures, which thus far are limited to RNP-qualified aircraft and flight crews. Garmin claims their panel mounts will be able to do RF legs, but I remain skeptical. I can see it working but only in a robust installation with an electronic HSI (where the course setting auto-slews to keep up with the RF leg's constant course change) and with a good steering computer for either a flight director or nav mode of the autopilot. With an AF leg you have 4 miles of protected airspace (plus a 2 mile secondary) each side of the ARC, so some plus-or-minus 0.5 mile zig-zagging is insignificant. Not so with RF legs where not only is the radius of turn typically much tighter than a DME ARC, the protected airspace may only be 0.6 of a mile each side of centerline. And, an RF leg of one radius and direction can be immediately followed by a different RF leg of a different radius and/or direction. This is a much more complex flight path to manage than a DME ARC or a holding pattern (Garmin's holding patterns are not real-world patterns in any case; rather just symbols for holding course and turn direction.) |
#25
|
|||
|
|||
"Peter R." wrote: Tim wrote: snip The system is being used by a very small part of general aviation. Are you saying that WAAS is only used by the aviation community? What about those who use WAAS-enabled handheld GPS units for boating, driving, and hiking/backpacking? Oh, and don't forget the geo-cachers. ;-) -- Peter That's what I am saying. All those other applications are ad hoc, and not part of any government criteria for navigation. The improvements in accuracy with WAAS in any Garmin hand-held I have used is not even worth the processor overhead. I had it in a Garmin 295 for several years and kept it turned off because it dragged down the screen refresh rates significantly. I now have a 296, where it does not have that issue, but it still increases processor overhead for no real gain. I choose to leave it disabled and thus get a nice, clean 3D solution. |
#26
|
|||
|
|||
"Ron Natalie" wrote in message ... Matt Barrow wrote: I'd like to dump my KLN94 and go to a GPS480 with an AviDyne MX-500. One problem is the GPS480 does not support curved flight paths (GAMA) that a GPS 430 does. It will fly them (at least it does holds, procedure turns, and DME arcs). Maybe it doesn't reflect htem properly on the GAMA graphcis to the AVIDYNE (I have an MX20) That's right...I should have specified that the Avidyne requires a GAMA conection. I wonder if I should go with a dual GPS in the form of a GPS 430/ 480 combo? Would it work? Perhaps but confusing as hell I would think. Yeah, but neither has what I want. Darn! |
#27
|
|||
|
|||
Did Garmin promise an eventual upgrade to WAAS when you bought your 530?
For the record: YES!!! I spoke with not only the distributor rep, but the Garmin aviation marketing manger, and one of Garmin's engineering reps. They ALL assured me, at the time, a WAAS upgrade was "in the works" and anticipated shortly after the final TSO was released. I didn't take the word of the sales rep. I went straight to Olathe, KS, and the corporate guys were the ones that assured me of upgrades in a "reasonable" amount of time. Of course, that was damn near 3 years ago now... About the BEST piece of advice I got was from a sales rep regarding the ill-fated GDL-49 when it came out, "Don't buy it, Garmin doesn't seem to have a handle on the product yet"... |
#28
|
|||
|
|||
Since there is only one 146a box on the market now, what do you think is a
reasonable amount of time? Mike MU-2 "PPT33R" wrote in message oups.com... Did Garmin promise an eventual upgrade to WAAS when you bought your 530? For the record: YES!!! I spoke with not only the distributor rep, but the Garmin aviation marketing manger, and one of Garmin's engineering reps. They ALL assured me, at the time, a WAAS upgrade was "in the works" and anticipated shortly after the final TSO was released. I didn't take the word of the sales rep. I went straight to Olathe, KS, and the corporate guys were the ones that assured me of upgrades in a "reasonable" amount of time. Of course, that was damn near 3 years ago now... About the BEST piece of advice I got was from a sales rep regarding the ill-fated GDL-49 when it came out, "Don't buy it, Garmin doesn't seem to have a handle on the product yet"... |
#29
|
|||
|
|||
Ron Natalie wrote:
Matt Barrow wrote: I'd like to dump my KLN94 and go to a GPS480 with an AviDyne MX-500. One problem is the GPS480 does not support curved flight paths (GAMA) that a GPS 430 does. It will fly them (at least it does holds, procedure turns, and DME arcs). Maybe it doesn't reflect htem properly on the GAMA graphcis to the AVIDYNE (I have an MX20) WAAS, in the long run, probally has its best advantage if it can do curved approaches to final. This would eliminate a LOT of the clearance restrictions on existing approaches. |
#30
|
|||
|
|||
Scott Moore wrote: Ron Natalie wrote: WAAS, in the long run, probally has its best advantage if it can do curved approaches to final. This would eliminate a LOT of the clearance restrictions on existing approaches. WAAS has nothing to do with RF legs (curved approach paths). RF legs are a leg computation done by an RNAV/LNAV platform. WAAS is an augmentation scheme for GPS. RF legs are independent of the nav sensor, although GPS is presently the preferred sensor for RNAV/LNAV. So, there is no reason that a TSO-C146 (WAAS/LPV) couldn't do RF legs with, or without, WAAS and or LPV. Having said that, I haven't heard of any proposed implementation along those lines for WAAS and LPV. |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Any inside story re 430/530 WAAS cert.? | [email protected] | Instrument Flight Rules | 0 | May 20th 05 06:13 PM |
WAAS and Garmin 430/530 | DoodyButch | Owning | 23 | October 13th 03 04:06 AM |
Terminology of New WAAS, VNAV, LPV approach types | Tarver Engineering | Instrument Flight Rules | 2 | August 5th 03 03:50 AM |
Big News -- WAAS GPS is Operational for IFR | Lockheed employee | Instrument Flight Rules | 87 | July 30th 03 02:08 AM |
Garmin Behind the Curve on WAAS GPS VNAV Approaches | Richard Kaplan | Instrument Flight Rules | 24 | July 18th 03 01:43 PM |