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Broke Airline Pilot needs "stuff" for an ASW-15B
On Oct 23, 8:12*pm, Brad wrote:
is there any hope that XC-Soar will get IGC approval for their logger? Brad On Oct 23, 7:57*am, BB wrote: On Oct 22, 8:06*pm, wrote: I need a: 1. GPS data logger thats contest worthy 2. PDA device and connections Current US contest rules require "category 1" (IGC blessed) or "category 2" (see the list) recorders except for sports regionals where "category 3" recorders meaning just a pda software are allowed. See the rules http://www.ssa.org/files/member/Rules2008Regional.pdf There is a proposal before the rules committee to allow some Commercial Off The Shelf (typcially Garmin) units, plus G7towin or similar software, as category 2 recorders. These would cost about $150 and seem to provide adequate security. On the other hand, I'm not sure how long category 3 will last, even in sports class. It's just too tempting to open the file with notepad, elminate those two fixes in the restricted area, change a few altitudes from 18101 feet to 17499 feet etc. Loggers that don't make a G record, which can be too easily spoofed into making one on fake data, or for which winscore can't verify security via DLLs may not last long. With that in mind, if you suspect you'll be in contest soaring for a while, I'd recommend blowing the bucks on a category 1 or 2 recorder. This will avoid what everyone else goes through, blowing 3 times the money on a sequence of "cheap" alternatives that you then abandon. Otherwise, I'd wait until December to see what the RC comes up with in the ongoing logger saga. John Cochrane BB Yes XCSoar has been approved for OLC, and final testing is being done now. The next release will have OLC validation. A great news for a great program! Mike |
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I think there is some confusion here.
For FAI/IGC Internationally recognised records and badges, evidence from a secure flight recorder is required. A number of programs produce fligth records that are in the correct format, but unless they are from an IGC approved recorder, and pass a validity check, they cannot be used for validating a flight. What OLC chooses to accept is a matter for OLC, but unless XC-Soar produces a hardware set that meets the IGC specification, and submits it for approval, then IGC approval is not possible. At 03:38 24 October 2008, Mike wrote: On Oct 23, 8:12=A0pm, Brad wrote: is there any hope that XC-Soar will get IGC approval for their logger? Brad On Oct 23, 7:57=A0am, BB wrote: On Oct 22, 8:06=A0pm, wrote: I need a: 1. GPS data logger thats contest worthy 2. PDA device and connections Current US contest rules require "category 1" (IGC blessed) or "category 2" (see the list) recorders except for sports regionals where "category 3" recorders meaning just a pda software are allowed. See the rules http://www.ssa.org/files/member/Rules2008Regional.pdf There is a proposal before the rules committee to allow some Commercial Off The Shelf (typcially Garmin) units, plus G7towin or similar software, as category 2 recorders. These would cost about $150 and seem to provide adequate security. On the other hand, I'm not sure how long category 3 will last, even in sports class. It's just too tempting to open the file with notepad, elminate those two fixes in the restricted area, change a few altitudes from 18101 feet to 17499 feet etc. Loggers that don't make a G record, which can be too easily spoofed into making one on fake data, or for which winscore can't verify security via DLLs may not last long. With that in mind, if you suspect you'll be in contest soaring for a while, I'd recommend blowing the bucks on a category 1 or 2 recorder. This will avoid what everyone else goes through, blowing 3 times the money on a sequence of "cheap" alternatives that you then abandon. Otherwise, I'd wait until December to see what the RC comes up with in the ongoing logger saga. John Cochrane BB Yes XCSoar has been approved for OLC, and final testing is being done now. The next release will have OLC validation. A great news for a great program! Mike |
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Back to the one-man rig issue. Unless you are in an unusual situation you
should be able to get along without this contraption. They are expensive and use up too much space. At contests, clubs and commercial operations there is always help. If you do find yourself facing a solo assembly, use the two-blanket method I've employed on a few occasions. Using old fluffy quilt-type blankets at the tail and another where the tip will be when inserted into the fuselage, assembly can be done as fast and safe as with a one-man rig. Write me for assembly details if you go this way. Karl Striedieck "Peter Purdie" wrote in message ... I think there is some confusion here. For FAI/IGC Internationally recognised records and badges, evidence from a secure flight recorder is required. A number of programs produce fligth records that are in the correct format, but unless they are from an IGC approved recorder, and pass a validity check, they cannot be used for validating a flight. What OLC chooses to accept is a matter for OLC, but unless XC-Soar produces a hardware set that meets the IGC specification, and submits it for approval, then IGC approval is not possible. At 03:38 24 October 2008, Mike wrote: On Oct 23, 8:12=A0pm, Brad wrote: is there any hope that XC-Soar will get IGC approval for their logger? Brad On Oct 23, 7:57=A0am, BB wrote: On Oct 22, 8:06=A0pm, wrote: I need a: 1. GPS data logger thats contest worthy 2. PDA device and connections Current US contest rules require "category 1" (IGC blessed) or "category 2" (see the list) recorders except for sports regionals where "category 3" recorders meaning just a pda software are allowed. See the rules http://www.ssa.org/files/member/Rules2008Regional.pdf There is a proposal before the rules committee to allow some Commercial Off The Shelf (typcially Garmin) units, plus G7towin or similar software, as category 2 recorders. These would cost about $150 and seem to provide adequate security. On the other hand, I'm not sure how long category 3 will last, even in sports class. It's just too tempting to open the file with notepad, elminate those two fixes in the restricted area, change a few altitudes from 18101 feet to 17499 feet etc. Loggers that don't make a G record, which can be too easily spoofed into making one on fake data, or for which winscore can't verify security via DLLs may not last long. With that in mind, if you suspect you'll be in contest soaring for a while, I'd recommend blowing the bucks on a category 1 or 2 recorder. This will avoid what everyone else goes through, blowing 3 times the money on a sequence of "cheap" alternatives that you then abandon. Otherwise, I'd wait until December to see what the RC comes up with in the ongoing logger saga. John Cochrane BB Yes XCSoar has been approved for OLC, and final testing is being done now. The next release will have OLC validation. A great news for a great program! Mike |
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On Oct 24, 8:00*am, Peter Purdie wrote:
snip unless XC-Soar produces a hardware set that meets the IGC specification, and submits it for approval, then IGC approval is not possible. And since XC Soar is PDA software I think there is no chance of that happening. |
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Broke Airline Pilot needs "stuff" for an ASW-15B
XC-SOAR is OLC approved! Awesome.
I put my moving map together on a Dell Axim x51v with a Helix GPS card that simply inserts in the top of the PDA. Its advisable to go with the Higher resolution mainstream PDA's from Dell or HP etc you will be glad you did. I loaded it with XC Soar and it works fantastic. XC-Soar is especially nice because it is open source(free) and the way it is designed you can remap buttons, rearrange the display, and interface with other instruments like airspeed or vario. You could even extend the funtionality if your a real programing geek. The community support site is where you submits bugs, questions and enhancement requests and new features or improvements regularly pop up. Anyway my Dell PDA & GPS card cost $125 on eBay and works fabulously, the only thing I changed was buy a higher capacity battery and cover for $12. I also get wireless internet on the PDA from the Soaring Club so I can check out last minute weather updates, and peruse airport information, upload IGC files to the OLC etc. without having to get on the clubs PC. So there you have a very affordable solution for your "15" Ray Yes XCSoar has been approved for OLC, and final testing is being done now. The next release will have OLC validation. A great news for a great program! Mike- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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On Oct 24, 2:35*am, "Karl Striedieck" wrote:
Write me for assembly details if you go this way. Now Karl you have teased the thousands that lurk and the few that post. How about sharing the blanket method? Best I can think of is one blanket to the hold the broken bits and the other to hide my face, but you say it works so there must be more to it than that. Andy |
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On Oct 24, 4:35*pm, Andy wrote:
On Oct 24, 2:35*am, "Karl Striedieck" wrote: Write me for assembly details if you go this way. Now Karl you have teased the thousands that lurk and the few that post. *How about sharing the blanket method? * * Best I can think of is one blanket to the hold the broken bits and the other to hide my face, but you say it works so there must be more to it than that. Andy No, you have it wrong. One blanket is to support the babe in micro- bikini that is essential to this method. The babe attracts soaring pilots, who then help you rig/de-rig. The babe may require some upkeep ;-). Frank (TA) |
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Broke Airline Pilot needs "stuff" for an ASW-15B
Andy (and other curious or economically challenged souls),
Here is the letter I sent to Scott: You will need two wing stands, or one wing stand and a table,box, etc. to hold both wings at the right height for installing the pins. This also assumes you have an adjustable ramp so the fuselage dolly will go up and down a little. If not, no problem, you can put stuff under the wings to raise/lower them. Measure where the wing tip will be when it is pulled out of the trailer and put a blanket there so that there is enough blanket to the rear for sliding the tip further. Tilt the fuselage to the right (right wing on first with Schleicher) so that it points where the tip will be on the ground. Pull the tip out, put it on the blanket, go to the spar and lift it up and put it down on the other (outermost) pin hole. Rotate the wing until it is directly opposite the spar box, put it down on the other blanket, go to the root and rotate the wing flat. Insert the right spar into the fuselage. You will be at the root dragging the tip on the other blanket. Raise the right wing and support it with some sort of wing stand. The second wing (left) is handled the same until you slide it in. For this you lay the spar tip on the fuselage, which will give about a one inch support, and then go to the tip and pick it up for the slide in. This is where you will need a second wing support of the correct height to allow the pins to slide in. Minor adjustments can be made if your ramp raises and lowers. This all assumes you are using a trailer that is compatible with this operation. If it is a home-made rig , modifications may be required. Let me know. I've done this a number of times on my 27, which has no push rods to catch. You may have to figure out something if that is a problem on your 15. Let me know if you need more details. wrote in message ... I recently bought a 1972 ASW-15B. I am on a budget to fix this up. I'm looking for stuff that works, doesn't look flashly, but fits the need. I need a: 1. GPS data logger thats contest worthy 2. PDA device and connections 3. Wing Rigger so I can assemble by myself 4.Gear so I can tow it by myself to the runway Thank You - Scott Alexander |
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Broke Airline Pilot needs "stuff" for an ASW-15B
On Oct 24, 2:25*pm, "Karl Striedieck" wrote:
Andy (and other curious or economically challenged souls), Here is the letter I sent to Scott: Thanks Karl! I can see how that would work if really stuck for help. Sounds like there is some pretty awkward lifting, pulling, and pushing and a good chance of tweaking your back though. Andy |
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This is not so mfar fetched
Some years ago on a soaring holiday at Lasham UK, a rather beautiful young lady arrived and started to get a Discus out of its trailer and made as if to start rigging. She was soon joined by eager young men who helped her assemble the glider - once rigged she left and returned with grandfather who went flying for the day.... In two weeks I never saw the crafty old beggar rig the glider once but he flew it every soarable day..................... At 21:04 24 October 2008, Frank wrote: On Oct 24, 4:35=A0pm, Andy wrote: On Oct 24, 2:35=A0am, "Karl Striedieck" wrote: Write me for assembly details if you go this way. Now Karl you have teased the thousands that lurk and the few that post. =A0How about sharing the blanket method? =A0 =A0 Best I can think o= f is one blanket to the hold the broken bits and the other to hide my face, but you say it works so there must be more to it than that. Andy No, you have it wrong. One blanket is to support the babe in micro- bikini that is essential to this method. The babe attracts soaring pilots, who then help you rig/de-rig. The babe may require some upkeep ;-). Frank (TA) |
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