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"Emmanuel Gustin" wrote in message ... "Curtis CCR" wrote in message om... the President in general. For Christ's sake - do you think filing as a G-V has any real material difference on a flight of this type? Considering that post 9/11, filing a fake flight plane might result in being shot down, it seems to be relevant enough. I would venture a guess they were little friends in the vecenity to prevent said shootdown... Jim |
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Now you found yourself flying behind a flight of BUFF's enroute a strike would you have expected a flight plan filed... Just a question..... Really depends on whether I was passing over Kabul or transiting over the Atlantic. Gordon |
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Listening to the popular press has caused many people to believe "Air Force
One" is an airplane, when in fact it is just a radio callsign. It is the callsign of any USAF airplane that has the president aboard, and at times an aircraft other than one of the two VC-25s (747-200) assigned to the 89th AW is used. The 89th AW also operates the C-37, a military version of the Gulfstream 5. Actually, I thought *any* plane with the President on board became, de facto, "Air Force One"! I don't think we've seen an accurate version of this story yet. They deliberately filed a wrong aircraft type as a security measure? Makes sense to me! You have to worry about "Gomer Al-Pyle, (Former) Republican Guard" with his Stinger/"Grail", (Soviet man-portable anti-aircraft missile/RPG; *after all*! What did they file as the callsign? If they filed as Air Force One they defeated the purpose of filing the wrong type aircraft. If they filed as SAM1234, then the UK controller would have no aircraft on frequency or any flight plan data on Air Force One. So when the question was asked, "is that Air Force One", what was the controller looking at to determine it was a Gulfstream 5? |
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On 08 Jan 2004 22:41:43 GMT, DBurch7672 wrote:
Actually, I thought *any* plane with the President on board became, de facto, "Air Force One"! There's also Army One, Navy One, Marine One and Executive One. -Jeff B. yeff at erols dot com |
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"DBurch7672" wrote in message ... Actually, I thought *any* plane with the President on board became, de facto, "Air Force One"! No, only an Air Force aircraft becomes Air Force One. |
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Yeff wrote:
On 08 Jan 2004 22:41:43 GMT, DBurch7672 wrote: Actually, I thought *any* plane with the President on board became, de facto, "Air Force One"! There's also Army One, Navy One, Marine One and Executive One. Don't forget Coast Guard One. Executive One covers any non-Army, USMC, Navy, Air Force, or Coast Guard government aircraft the Pres flies in. I don't know when the last President flew in a civilian/commercial aircraft - prolly dates back to or before Ike's Columbine days. I suspect, with no basis for it other than 40+ years of government watching from the inside and outside, that if one did fly civilian, they'd use the Executive One call. -- OJ III [Email sent to Yahoo addy is burned before reading. Lower and crunch the sig and you'll net me at comcast] |
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"Ogden Johnson III" wrote in message ... Don't forget Coast Guard One. When the President is aboard a military aircraft, the callsign becomes the name of the military service, followed by the word "One." Whether or not a Coast Guard aircraft is considered a military aircraft is open to debate. While the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines have all flown the President, I don't believe the Coast Guard ever has. Executive One covers any non-Army, USMC, Navy, Air Force, or Coast Guard government aircraft the Pres flies in. Ececutive One is the callsign of any civil aircraft carrying the President. I don't know when the last President flew in a civilian/commercial aircraft - prolly dates back to or before Ike's Columbine days. I suspect, with no basis for it other than 40+ years of government watching from the inside and outside, that if one did fly civilian, they'd use the Executive One call. Nixon traveled aboard a civil airliner once during the first gas crunch. |
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Steven- Whether or not a
Coast Guard aircraft is considered a military aircraft is open to debate. BRBR I think the USCG people that have served in the last conflicts, like VietNam, and Desert 'wars' would disagree with you. P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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"Pechs1" wrote in message ... I think the USCG people that have served in the last conflicts, like VietNam, and Desert 'wars' would disagree with you. That's essentially what debate is. |
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