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What's the difference between that and airport subsidies? In both
cases, the idea is that the added commerce brought to the area offsets the direct costs. In theory, there is a codified process that any airport grants must go through. This supposedly weeds out the unworthy or unnecessary. I've not seen any "cast in stone" procedures for obtaining corporate welfare. Often the deciding factor seems to be "Who gave whom the biggest political donation" during the last election... For a great example of this, check out the last three hotels built in the Iowa City market. One was built ENTIRELY with taxpayer money ($60 million!), one was built with a TIF (tax incremental financing -- basically paying no taxes for 20 years), and one was an organized crime casino/hotel. That's 500 gummint-built hotel rooms, in this itty-bitty market. Not that I blame the guys who got it -- hey, I'd take it, too -- but the fact that it is available to those who "bought" the biggest politician really, REALLY sucks. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message ... Jonathan Goodish wrote: In article , "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote: It also appears that Mr. Bass has fostered good will with those whom he leads. That is not a typical characteristic of a "slash & burn" executive. JKG I don't see how basing their future on a VLJ that will just be one among many in a yet unproven market is a good idea. There is significant interest and demand already in the small jet/VLJ. With the innovation happening in the industry, no one can wait until the market is "proven," for by that time it will be too late. That's the huge problem with the piston business--Piper missed the boat big- time years ago. JKG The problem with the interest and demand for the VLJ market is that a significant portion of it comes from yet another unproven market, on demand air taxi. And in 1981, PC's were an "unproven market" :~) Hell, in the early 60's, COMPUTERS were un "unproven market". The biggest impediment to Air Taxi, so far, has been scheduling and logistics. You might dig into Google to find the computer models that are comoing out to provide such logistical support information. Most any successful market is CREATED, it just doesn't wander into existance. Is there a _demand_ for "Air Taxi"? Preliminary feedback show there certainly is. |
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On Jun 22, 8:07 pm, Jonathan Goodish wrote:
America works best when you say "Yes, Union. Yes!" It may work best for YOU, but not for the consumer. not true. It is too simplistic to blame consumer issues on organized labor. Personally, I have no problem with employees who want to organize. Amen brother! However, I do have a problem with the huge bias of labor laws toward the unions that shut out competition (non-union workers). Unions are nothing but big corporations that sell a service--labor--and are granted a government monopoly when workers vote to become represented by a union. You are assuming closed shop negotiations. Why should non union workers ride the coatails of the union guys? It's a lose-lose between the consumers who have to pay more, and the high-quality union workers who cannot be rewarded based on merit. why are you assuming consumers lose? Let me explain, I have been union for 16 years (ALPA), and just the safety issues that ALPA has addressed in this time has been worth the cost of my dues. Would you trust the FAA to implement safety inititaves by themselves? Look at the recent crap that went on at Jet Blue (Duty time violations). That would have never happened at an ALPA carrier. If you are paying a little extra for a ticket, you can rest assured the added level of safety is worth it. Now how does the consumer lose here? For the unions themselves, the lazy union workers (of which there are many), it's a win, at least until the company you work for goes bankrupt. Ah, the old "Blame labor for management follies". A quick look at recent airline bankruptcies will put this one to bed. JKG Respectfully, KB |
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Hey! We have the best government can buy ( quote mark twain). Even the tree
huggers have learned its better to buy the property than to wine at the government and hope they will pass bills to save the tree. Found a group of like minded hotel entrepreneurs who can " support" local politicians to get some government welfare for all of you "Jay Honeck" wrote in message oups.com... Snip .. That's 500 gummint-built hotel rooms, in this itty-bitty market. Not that I blame the guys who got it -- hey, I'd take it, too -- but the fact that it is available to those who "bought" the biggest politician really, REALLY sucks. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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Found a group of like minded hotel entrepreneurs who can " support" local
politicians to get some government welfare for all of you The thought of sucking from the gummint teat sickens me, quite frankly. I'd rather close. No, we'll just keep on being the best damned hotel in the market. None of their stupid gummint welfare can change the fact that most hotels just plain suck at customer service -- and THAT is our big edge. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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The thought of sucking from the gummint teat sickens me, quite
frankly. I'd rather close. Oh? That's 500 gummint-built hotel rooms, in this itty-bitty market. Not that I blame the guys who got it -- hey, I'd take it, too -- Hmmmm. Jose -- You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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What's the difference between that and airport subsidies? In both
cases, the idea is that the added commerce brought to the area offsets the direct costs. In theory, there is a codified process that any airport grants must go through. This supposedly weeds out the unworthy or unnecessary. I've not seen any "cast in stone" procedures for obtaining corporate welfare. Often the deciding factor seems to be "Who gave whom the biggest political donation" during the last election... The difference between theory and practice is that in theory, there is no difference. In practice, there is. This "codified process" sure didn't save Meigs (and it's the same coming and going). "Who gave whom" seems to be the way things work in business too. Jose -- You can choose whom to befriend, but you cannot choose whom to love. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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The thought of sucking from the gummint teat sickens me, quite
frankly. I'd rather close. Oh? That's 500 gummint-built hotel rooms, in this itty-bitty market. Not that I blame the guys who got it -- hey, I'd take it, too -- Hmmmm. A moment of hyperbole, I'm afraid. Just trying to make myself feel better by justifying the dishonorable acts of the corporate whores. I've never taken any money from the gummint, for anything. Don't like banks much, either, although they are occasionally necessary. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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"K Baum" wrote in message ups.com... On Jun 22, 8:07 pm, Jonathan Goodish wrote: America works best when you say "Yes, Union. Yes!" It may work best for YOU, but not for the consumer. not true. It is too simplistic to blame consumer issues on organized labor. That's not the point he's making (that it's _strictly_ union caused). Personally, I have no problem with employees who want to organize. Amen brother! However, I do have a problem with the huge bias of labor laws toward the unions that shut out competition (non-union workers). Unions are nothing but big corporations that sell a service--labor--and are granted a government monopoly when workers vote to become represented by a union. You are assuming closed shop negotiations. Why should non union workers ride the coatails of the union guys? Maybe because they're typically a bunch of thugs who do generate a few bennies at a obscene cost? It's a lose-lose between the consumers who have to pay more, and the high-quality union workers who cannot be rewarded based on merit. why are you assuming consumers lose? Let me explain, I have been union for 16 years (ALPA), and just the safety issues that ALPA has addressed in this time has been worth the cost of my dues. Would you trust the FAA to implement safety inititaves by themselves? Yes. How many have ALPA rejected in terms of "full employment"? Look at the recent crap that went on at Jet Blue (Duty time violations). That would have never happened at an ALPA carrier. Absolute BS. If you are paying a little extra for a ticket, you can rest assured the added level of safety is worth it. Now how does the consumer lose here? By assuming the unions are interested primarily in safety. For the unions themselves, the lazy union workers (of which there are many), it's a win, at least until the company you work for goes bankrupt. Ah, the old "Blame labor for management follies". A quick look at recent airline bankruptcies will put this one to bed. Oh, like United? |
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"john hawkins" wrote in message . net... Hey! We have the best government can buy ( quote mark twain). Even the tree huggers have learned its better to buy the property than to wine at the government and hope they will pass bills to save the tree. Actually, they found it's better to let the government confiscate the trees. Found a group of like minded hotel entrepreneurs who can " support" local politicians to get some government welfare for all of you Everyone lining up at the government trough. OINK! OINK! |
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