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About German Mystery Objects
I see that many people here is the United States cannot comprehend the
developments brought on by the Allied bombing campaign against Germany during the Second World War. But over in Germany many such books exist on the subject you Americans find impossible to discuss civily, German disc planes. It is very well known that despite huge efforts in the German defense industry during the war the bombing campaign was wreaking havoc on our hydronation plants, airfields, aircraft production facilities, and transport network. Even when new amazing jets arrived they were scarce on fuel and remained stationary on the ground. Up to 300 Messerschmitt 262's were grounded for that reason alone. Secondly, Germany lacked pilots to fly the jets. Even the aces from the prop fighters had a rough time transitioning to jet aircraft and simultaneously trying to develope new tactics to attack the bombers with an overtaking speed of close to 300 mph. Do youn realize how difficult it must have been to dive into the bomber groups at over 550 mph and quickly fire a burst of 30mm cannon ammo? It was very difficult and then the jet usually was attacked upon landing at its base, ending up as a fireball on the ground. Germany needed answers and they tried to think up every concievable aircraft configuration and powerplant to tackle the bombers. The SS, however, had been involved in the black arts since the Nazis took power and had both Hitler's and Himmler's backing to develope occult craft from the Thule and Vril Gesellschafts. These black societies centering around occult teachings and two psychic mediums sometime in the 1930's built a flying disc that utilized technology derived from occult science. It flew badly and crashed but worked continued with the help of a Dr. Schumann who invented levitators centered around a liquid mercury sphere and various spinning internal disc plates that somehow caused a rotating magnetic field effect. Some say the technology came from an alien UFO that crashed near Freiberg in 1936 and was taken to Himmler's castle at Wewelsberg, reverse engineered. Nevertheless, Thule and Vril continued development of these RFZ (RundFlugZeug) with models 1-6 up to 1939. By the start of the war Vril had their own designs of which the often-quoted V-7 is mentioned. This is a mislabel as it is not part of the Vergeltungswaffen, just Vril-7. Meanwhile Thule came up with a more advanced Triebwerk that utilized Coler's free energy machine, a Van deGraf generator, a mercury sphere, and spherical levitators. This engine was installed in the large Haunebu craft that flew the Atlantic and made trips to an area Hitler knew would be safe from Allied bombing, New Schwabenland in Antartica. U-boats carried technicians and scientists to a base there, Number 211, via an undersea trench that stretched the entire way through what was know formerly as Queen Maud Land. Base 211 was carved into a cave complex similar to Nordhausen and supplied by transport subs, components of which even the Type XXVI were taken. SS Antartic troops maintained the base. The question is: why not use the discs in battle then? The answer was that they could fly at only certain angles eliminating them as fighters. Their engines operation killed any normal magnetic compass. They had no armament fitted except a few experimentals with 2 MGs, a 30mm MK 108, and a Haunebu with some form of turret gun. This has mistakenly been called a hoax with a panzer 38t turret and gun. If you examine highly cleaned-up versions of the photos and note the scale the turret is rounded and not exactly metal. The gun defies comparison to conventional weapons of the time. The Germans were trying to develope a wide range of these disc machines but time ran out. Vril and Thule evacuated to Base 211 and South America. The other SS projects like the BMW Flugelrad jet-gyros were destroyed. Schauberger's Repulsine motors were captured as were Coanda's models of huis Lenticular Disc and Andreas Epps Omega Diskus. Patents found at the end of the war revealed Focke-Wulf had circular disc conventional aircraft plans as did Heinkel's engineer Rudolf Schriever, who swears his Flugkreisel designs were stolen by the SS in 1941. There seems to be an awful lot of confusion on the part of investigators and reporters on these machines. Schriever's discs are always confused with the BMW Flugelrads. They are not the same at all. The BMWs were built in Prague and utilized BMW 003 jet engines to power moving rotor blades. Schriever's disc had Jumo 004 jet engines on the rotor discs and on the lower body. They cannot therfore be the same. Schriever claimed the SS stole his idea and gave it to a group of scientists: Habermohl, Miethe, and an Italian Belluzzo. None but Miethe's design are plausible. Miethe furnished photos of his design to an Italian magazine after the war. It looks like an enlarged Repulsine with a cockpit. This makes sense since Schauberger's motor was perfected by 1944 and a larger version was said to be incorporated into the SS disc in that same year. Schauberger was a prisoner of the SS so whatever he developed was passed along to others. Other than these was a lone private venture by one Arthur Sack who was a flying model enthusiast with a disc plane on show in a 1939 competition. He impressed Udet who gave hime some scrap to work with. Amazingly, he had built in a simple workshop a wooden circular wing aircraft that utilized parts from a Messerschmitt 108 Taifun and an Argus engine. The machine was very simple and could have flown well had it not been for the misplacement of the landing gear, an underpowered engine, and poor tail surfaces. It made a few hops in 1944 and was cut up for firewood. So when the Allies arrived in Germany they were desperate to find the mystery disc objects at any cost. Since the SS controlled these machines they did not want to surrender to either the Red Army or US Army for fear of reprisal killings. Instead, they moved north and surrendered to the British Army which hadn't any idea what all this material and documentation was. They did crate everything and boxcar it on a train stretching for miles. They then shipped it from a French port to Britain where they astoundingly couldn't make the machines work properly. Both the US and USSR had been hunting for the discs so Britain moved them to Canada for testing and the rest is history X. However, what they got must have been a jet design due to AVRO proceeding in that direction. No Vril or Haunebu fell into Allied hands. Admiral Byrd set out in 1947 with a military task force to recon New Schwabenland, find Base 211, and destroy it. He was repulsed. Sightings of Vril and Haunebu type UFOs surfaced all over South America and South Atlantic. U-boats came back montha after V-E day with their cargos missing. Another U-boat was intercepted carrying tons of nothing but liquid mercury. Germany must have secured the ice fortress because no one goes there today. In the '50s South Americans reported U-boats still operating in their waters and in the '90s a strange photo showed up in Germany's news- a gun supposedly captured during Byrd's expedition. It was a German assault rifle unlike any other that fired a squeeze-round. It supposedly was taken from the dead body of an SS Antartic trooper. The name Schwinder was on it. No one has ever explained that. People in South America believe the Nazis still have bases there and in Antartica. Some people in Germany believe that too. It sounds wild yet there is so much information circulating. Anyone care to add to this conversation? Erich Adler |
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Some say the technology came from an alien UFO that crashed near Freiberg in 1936 and was taken to Himmler's castle at Wewelsberg, Yes, that would explain it, all right. all the best -- Dan Ford email: see the Warbird's Forum at www.warbirdforum.com and the Piper Cub Forum at www.pipercubforum.com |
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"Cub Driver" wrote in message ... Some say the technology came from an alien UFO that crashed near Freiberg in 1936 and was taken to Himmler's castle at Wewelsberg, Yes, that would explain it, all right. That would explain a lot. |
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"Erich Adler" wrote in message om... I see that many people here is the United States cannot comprehend Yes, you got to the root of the problem in your first sentence, us people here in the United States just can't comprehend, there was no need to read the rest of your post. Good day; Vaughn |
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I see that many people here is the United States cannot comprehend Yes, you got to the root of the problem in your first sentence, us people here in the United States just can't comprehend, there was no need to read the rest of your post. I just heard that 61% of all US citizens actually belive that the world was created in 6 days. So why not belive in flying saucers ? It's after all no different hehe ! |
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I just heard that 61% of all US citizens actually belive that the world
was created in 6 days. I've rarely met anyone who fills the qualifications of that poll, much less a majority of people I've ever discussed the issue with. I grew up in a state where many people are religious, and attended many churches growing up despite not having a strong faith myself, and in discussion after discussion few people believed the "literal Bible" claim. Many religions as a whole see the stories as anecdotes. Many other people believe the stories are roughly true in that the main actors existed, but that things did not come to pass exactly as written. The "made in six days" discussion is a particularly common one, with debate over what a 'day' truly may have been or represented. Point being, as a person of no particular faith living in the U.S. I see the 'religion' here for what it is, and it's a far, far sight from the beliefs of many foreigners who hear that most Americans believe in some sort of god and summarily decide there's some sort of theocracy over here. A 'random sampling' of 1000 people on the phone doesn't change that experience. |
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"t_mark" wrote in message news:gM5Yb.48266$L_4.2999@okepread01... I just heard that 61% of all US citizens actually belive that the world was created in 6 days. I've rarely met anyone who fills the qualifications of that poll, much less a majority of people I've ever discussed the issue with. I grew up in a state where many people are religious, and attended many churches growing up despite not having a strong faith myself, and in discussion after discussion few people believed the "literal Bible" claim. Try a degree in physics with a some quantum physics and you will see that six days is quite reasonable. You will of course need to look at both the single universe theory as well as the contrivance of an infinite number of parallel universes to get it. Catholics make up the other 30% of the US population that believe in creation, but through evolution. |
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:55:58 -0600, t_mark wrote:
Point being, as a person of no particular faith living in the U.S. I see the 'religion' here for what it is, and it's a far, far sight from the beliefs of many foreigners who hear that most Americans believe in some sort of god and summarily decide there's some sort of theocracy over here. While the USA clearly isn't a theocracy, religion is clearly influential enough that states from time to time take evolution off their school curricula. -- "It's easier to find people online who openly support the KKK than people who openly support the RIAA" -- comment on Wikipedia (Email: zen19725 at zen dot co dot uk) |
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 22:27:09 +0000,
phil hunt wrote: On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 09:55:58 -0600, t_mark wrote: Point being, as a person of no particular faith living in the U.S. I see the 'religion' here for what it is, and it's a far, far sight from the beliefs of many foreigners who hear that most Americans believe in some sort of god and summarily decide there's some sort of theocracy over here. While the USA clearly isn't a theocracy, religion is clearly influential enough that states from time to time take evolution off their school curricula. yep, democrary can lead to the vox populi, oy vey moment. |
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"Erich Adler" wrote in message om... U-boats carried technicians and scientists to a base there, Number 211, via an undersea trench that stretched the entire way through what was know formerly as Queen Maud Land. Base 211 was carved into a cave complex similar to Nordhausen and supplied by transport subs, components of which even the Type XXVI were taken. SS Antartic troops maintained the base. So what was the labour force used to construct this base in the Antarctic ? Nordhausen required the efforts of 10's of thousands of slave laborers. Who did they refind to recruit in the Antarctic , trained penguins perhaps ? The question is: why not use the discs in battle then? The answer was that they could fly at only certain angles eliminating them as fighters. Their engines operation killed any normal magnetic compass. They had no armament fitted except a few experimentals with 2 MGs, a 30mm MK 108, and a Haunebu with some form of turret gun. This has mistakenly been called a hoax with a panzer 38t turret and gun. If you examine highly cleaned-up versions of the photos and note the scale the turret is rounded and not exactly metal. The gun defies comparison to conventional weapons of the time. As it didnt exist except in the fevered imaginations of a number of deranged individuals comparing to anything real would be a trfile difficult deranged ramblings snipped People in South America believe the Nazis still have bases there and in Antartica. Some people in Germany believe that too. It sounds wild yet there is so much information circulating. Anyone care to add to this conversation? Yep , you are a grade A loon Keith |
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