Dangerous Cessna evacuates govt again

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:K9Lge.76006$WI3.51424@attbi_s71...
The figures I heard were about 4,000 illegal infiltrators a night, and
an estimate of 1-million a year crossing the southern border.

Yeah, I wonder if "Operation Minuteman" (or whatever the heck it's called)
is having any effect?

Or if all the good ole boy volunteers got tired of driving around the
desert, and went home...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


Yea they packed it up the other day.

"George Patterson" wrote in message news:vZyge.1550

Just idly thinking here after two glasses of wine, but what if =all= the
spam cans in the country formed a line and flew directly over the white
house at 2000 feet with no transponder code and no clearance, and kept
doing it even as we were being shot down? What do you think the
eventual effect of this would be?

They'd make a movie and call in Convoy II.

-c

The news channels were saying that it would take the plane 90 seconds
to
reach the Capital or White House from the 3 mile radius....bet that 3
mile
becomes 10 miles soon. We can thank this latest idiot as well as the
Governor of Kentucky's pilots!


The restricted airspace is one hell of a lot more than 3 miles. It
must be about 10 or 15 miles.

So those 19 dead terrorists passed the restrictive laws in this
country? Doubtful.

It was your elected government representatives who panicked, and used
public mass hysteria to enact a lot of stupid restrictions on the
American people in the name of strengthening security at the expense
of untold billions of dollars flowing into the pockets of law
enforcement agencies throughout the land.

Cause -- and effect -- in a democratic country.

No sense in railing against it. If you want to change it, get out the vote.

We've been had by our own
government politicians, in a far worse way than the terrorists could
have accomplished with a thousand fuel laden airliners.

While there is a grain of truth within your hyperbole, the fact remains that
we are a democracy, and the majority of our elected representatives in
Congress voted for the new restrictions. Characterizing this as "being had
by our own politicians" is the same as saying "democracy sucks!"

If you don't like it, get people to vote against it In the meantime, quit
blaming the people for the actions of the terrorists.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On 5/12/05 2:04 AM, in article , "x-ray"
wrote:

Christopher Campbell wrote:
The W-48 155mm nuclear artillery round is 34" long and weighs about 110 lbs.
It could fit diagonally in a large suitcase,

errrr no it woudldn't. Typical size of a suitcase (and the one claimed by
Lebed) is 24x16x8". And it would take two-three people to carry such
suitcase (depending on the required distance). And that's an every day sight
on the street or airport, right? Three people carying ONE briefcase - it
really doesn't look suspicus at all! By omitting the shielding, your device
will trigger the most cheapest toy radiation sensor (not to mention the
sophisticated ones that would detect you long before you even get into
plane).


I made that same point myself in another part of the thread. Even if you
managed to get the weight of the briefcase down to 60 lbs, you would look
pretty funny trying to carry it. Imagine trying to carry something like the
SADM, though.

The UCRL Swift device was only 5" in diameter and 24.5" long. It would have
fit easily into Lebed's suitcase. Of course, the whole package would have
weighed about 100 lbs, but a suitcase full of books can weigh that much (I
know, AllATP's texts fit into a suitcase and weigh 120 lbs.)

If Lebed's bombs actually exist, they would probably use technology similar
to the Swift -- a linear implosion design using a football shaped
subcritical mass.


The Soviets claimed to have built prototype suitcase weapons 20cm thick. A

Do you have some relevant document/reference that proves this? It's getting
pretty annoying with stroies of "suitcase nukes", "aliens in area 51" and
"We were not on the Moon" conspiracies. (No hard feelings)

Lebed claimed in 1997 that the Soviets had actually manufactured such a
device. Of course, no one has ever seen it and you have to wonder what they
would have ever used it for.

Nevertheless, I think the W-54 does show that bombs of amazingly small size
are possible, even if they are still very heavy. I agree that it is
extremely unlikely that any terrorist organization would have the capability
to manufacture such a device. Stealing or buying one from the Soviets might
be possible, but that assumes a) Lebed was telling the truth and b) no one
has noticed that such a device is missing. Besides, supposing a group such
as Chechen rebels or the Russian mafia managed to obtain the thing -- would
they really be eager to turn it over to bin Laden's boys? More likely they
would use it to blackmail Russia.

On 5/12/05 2:46 AM, in article ,
"Dylan Smith" wrote:

In article , Christopher
Campbell wrote:
never been interested in such a weapon. The smallest weapon ever tested by
the US was the UCRL Swift device in 1956.

I think the Davy Crockett round they tested in the early 60s was
actually smaller than that, I think it had a yield of around 20t (but I
could be wrong).

The W-54 Davy Crockett was bigger, but not by much. The Swift had a higher
yield of 190 tons, though. The Swift was never actually deployed. The W-54
is the smallest bomb ever deployed by the US.

120 LBS!,
Heck my wife's purse weighs that much!!!!

Patrick
student SPL
aircraft structural mech

"Jay Honeck" writes:

How soon everyone forgets...THEY attacked US, not the other way around.
Sheesh, wake up, guys. The U.S. hasn't changed -- but the world cultures
around it sure have.

Two questions:

1. Who are THEY and US? As a Canadian who is currently living in the
United States, I wonder what side of this line I fall upon.

2. What does this have to do with aviation?

Chris
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How soon everyone forgets...THEY attacked US, not the other way around.
Sheesh, wake up, guys. The U.S. hasn't changed -- but the world cultures
around it sure have.

Two questions:

1. Who are THEY and US? As a Canadian who is currently living in the
United States, I wonder what side of this line I fall upon.

2. What does this have to do with aviation?

Well, Chris, pretty much everything in this thread comes back to this one,
salient point.

Or do you think the ADIZ around D.C. is unrelated to 9/11?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
This administration's justification to invade Iran. Or Cananda.

Who wants Canada?


Your boy Bush as soon as he can figger out how to get all that oil out of
our.. I mean *their*... sand ;^)